[Aeolun]

> suggests you've not had to interact with them much.

Or the opposite is true and this has been enough to solve all my police problems? I’ll admit it is not in the UK, but I doubt they have a significantly less professional police force.

> TFA says that it has a failure rate of 1:33,000. That's a "do not ship" rating for almost anything else.

For anything where failure means death, sure. For situations where failure means a minor inconvenience, maybe not so much.

To me, the only relevant point of comparison here is the rate of misidentification by officers while _not_ relying on the face id tech. Because that’s the alternative, not having no arrests or searches at all.

[btasker]

> I’ll admit it is not in the UK, but I doubt they have a significantly less professional police force.

Ah, that explains a point that I'd didn't bother to pull you up on.

Carrying ID is not a routine thing here in the way that it is in some other countries (there have previously been attempts to introduce a national ID but they were staunchly opposed). So, it's not a given that you'll have ID on you to show them.

Drivers probably have their driving license in their wallet, but even that's not guaranteed (because you don't have to have it on you when driving).

The "quality" of police varies by force (and, of course, by officer).

The Met, though, have had some pretty serious issues with misconduct (including sexual assault and murder) and are still working through the processes of identifying personnel who shouldn't be in uniform at all (the Met themselves found there were hundreds of officers who should have been sacked previously).

They're working to fix things (or claim to be), but you probably don't want a force that's been described as "institutionally racist, sexist and homophobic" to be entrusted with something like this.

> For anything where failure means death, sure. For situations where failure means a minor inconvenience, maybe not so much.

I would still say the failure rate is too high given that the outcome of interactions with the Police varies quite significantly (par.

> To me, the only relevant point of comparison here is the rate of misidentification by officers while _not_ relying on the face id tech.

I'd also be interested to know this. But, I don't think it'll go quite the way you expect.

I'd expect there'd be _fewer_ overall stops: coppers simply won't (mis)recognise as broad a range of people. If they're only stopping people they recognise (or based on stuff that's been radioed through), their success rate is probably better

[Aeolun]

> If they're only stopping people they recognise

> institutionally racist, sexist and homophobic

I’m not sure those things go together very well. If they’re bored they’ll just pull ‘random’ people off the street. They might not be at direct risk of arrest, but it’d still waste your time.

That’s half of the reason I need to show my ID all the time :/

Edit: I’m starting to think you might be right, and there’s no direct analogue because police don’t just sit in the middle of the street hoping they’ll see some suspect if they cannot instantly compare with 40k wanted faces. No officer would be able to remember them all.

Question becomes more if it’s worth to have some people misidentified to catch the bad guys.