[empath75]

>The only way to have trust in such a message is to experience truth in it.

You've basically just abandoned any kind of logical or grounded epistemology and replaced it with believing in whatever "feels right". Which, you know, you do you, but it just sort of abandons any pursuit of some underlying reality that we share. There's nothing really to discuss there and you could be talking about a belief that the moon is made of cheese, that the earth is flat, or that we should all follow Satan or anything else that "feels right" to whoever.

It's funny that all the early church fathers and theologians made efforts to persuade people that the bible was true through logic and reason and evidence, but that was abandoned by the Church over time, as first people were forced to join the church on pain of death and damnation, and then later as any kind of logical or evidential argument for religion became untenable, people fell back on "well, you just have to choose to believe it if it feels good." Faith in the early church was not an argument for the existence of god, but was _predicated_ on the existence of God, a Christian was supposed to have faith that God, who you already believed in, had the world's best interests in mind. It was never meant to substitute for understanding the world through reason.

[freshpretzels]

Nothing I said excludes logic or evidence, or advocates believing in whatever “feels” right. I clearly said it’s about truth, and truth has to be determined with logic and evidence and first-order experience.