[qarl]

I understand that the voice actor does not sound like ScarJo to you.

But you need to understand that it does sound like ScarJo to a lot of people. Maybe 50% of the people who hear it.

Those kinds of coincidences are the things that make you lose in court.

[throwthrowuknow]

The voice is different enough that anyone who listens to samples longer than 5 seconds side by side and says they can’t tell them apart is obviously lying.

All the reporting around this I’ve seen uses incredibly short clips. There are hours of recorded audio of SJ speaking and there are lots of examples of the Sky voice out there since it’s been around since September.

[qarl]

To elaborate on the other comment -

It doesn't even need to sound like the person. It's about the intent. Did OpenAI intend to imitate ScarJo.

Half the people of the world thinking it's ScarJo is strong evidence that it's not an accident.

Given that "Her" is Sam's favorite movie, and that he cryptically tweeted "her" the day it launched, and that he reached out to ScarJo to do the voice, and that the company reached out to her again to reconsider two days before the launch -

I personally think the situation is very obvious. I understand that some people strongly disagree - but then there are some people who think the Earth is flat. So.

[foobarqux]

I don't think the intent matters (though it's moot in this case because I think there is clear intent): If someone unknowingly used a celebrity's likeness I think they would still be able to prohibit its use since the idea is that they have a "right" to its use in general, not that they have a defence against being wronged by a person in particular.

For example if someone anonymously used a celebrity's likeness to promote something you wouldn't need to identify the person (which would be necessary to prove intent) in order to stop have the offending material removed or prevented from being distributed.

[qarl]

> I don't think the intent matters

The closing statement of Midler v. Ford is:

"We hold only that when a distinctive voice of a professional singer is widely known and is deliberately imitated in order to sell a product, the sellers have appropriated what is not theirs and have committed a tort in California."

Deliberate is a synonym for intentional.

[foobarqux]

The passage you cited reads "we hold only that when" (compare with "we hold that only when") which I understand as that they are defining the judgment narrowly and punting on other questions (like whether the judgment would be different if there were no intent) as courts often do. In fact the preceding sentence is "We need not and do not go so far as to hold..."

It might make sense for intent to be required in order to receive damages but it would surprise me if you couldn't stop an inadvertent use of someone's likeness. In fact the Midler case cites the Ford one: 'The defendants were held to have invaded a "proprietary interest" of Motschenbacher in his own identity.'. I think you can invade someone's "proprietary interest" inadvertently just as you can take someone's property inadvertently; and courts can impose a corrective in both cases, in the first by ordering the invasion of proprietary interest be stopped and in the second by returning the taken property.

[qarl]

Fair enough. But then Midler v Ford doesn't support your argument. Do you have a case that does?

[foobarqux]

That's a different standard: "Can you tell them apart side-by-side" vs. "does this sound like person X" or "is this voice exploiting the likeness of person X". It's the latter question that is legally relevant.

[tangentstar]

Well, I’m glad at least I know the things that make you lose in court now. I’m appreciative for the lesson.

[qarl]

No problem. You take care now.