[tavavex]

Yes, and the point of the "enlightened centrist" is that bad actions by a company don't mean that any complaints thrown at them are automatically valid, or that every employee at the company is acting maliciously. Pledging your allegiance to a megacorp is bad, but thinking that the court of public opinion is always correct is just as foolish.

[lupusreal]

We're not talking about any complaint, we're talking about a specific complaint. In the other thread there are about a dozen OpenAI fanboys saying the OpenAI copycat is different from the Ford copycat for a reason which is refuted by the Tom Waits case; the Tom Waits impersonator wasn't singing a Tom Waits song, they were singing about chips.

[tavavex]

I'm not. Your comment said that, for a certain group of superfans, OpenAI can do no wrong and will always be biased in their favour. nsvd added that other people want to see OpenAI fail and will view anything regarding them negatively. I'm just elaborating on that. For one reason or another, this discourse has become personal for many people - the specific complaints don't matter, many people will be coming in with preconceived notions no matter what.

[lupusreal]

The claim is that Sam fanboys would defend Sam in any circumstance, not that Sam is guilty in any circumstance. The distinction shouldn't require explaination. If you're confused, then ask the chatbot to explain it to you.