[calciphus]

I get value from not having to carry keys. That's less bulk for me. I carry no keys at this point I my life, and it's great.

Locks are a societal agreement, not an impenetrable shield. My car is not a fortress or a safe. It's covered in glass. Having a mechanical switch inside a glass box is no more secure if your threat model is "someone technically advanced and highly motivated".

[lolinder]

I'm not so concerned about keyless entry, it's keyless starts that I'm worried about. We've come a long way in preventing hot wiring, and this feels like a step back.

I was under the impression that you do in fact need to carry a key in order to start the car, it's just a key fob instead of a key. Is that inaccurate? Does it recognize your phone or something?

EDIT: Yeah, it looks like at least Tesla has a phone Bluetooth option [0]. I can definitely see the value there.

[0] https://www.tesla.com/ownersmanual/model3/en_us/GUID-E004FAB...

[cchance]

I mean the car drives with bluetooth, it can be relayed sure but also ... you can enable pin to drive, and even if you drive away with the car once the relay is broken due to range the car won't start again, and also stealing a tesla this way is ... well really fucking dumb, the GPS tracking on the car, the fact the owner can literally shut down the car remotely or limit speed, personally i think remote valet mode should be allowed to set the car to 10mph max