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by constantcrying 756 days ago
Political unity has only ever been achieved at a point where the severity of outside pressures forced a group of people together.

If you look at the EU right now, it is hard to imagine a group less likely to come together. In the eyes of most member states it is still an economic union, whose purpose it is to allow international trade and allow economic benefits to the members, largely by allowing access to the enormous economies of France and Germany.

An economic union can only ever be justified in terms of utility and with the German economy not doing too great, what are the chances that the member states are willing to suffer on their behalf?

For the EU to come together it can only ever be on behalf of outside pressure, internal bureaucracies deciding so might create the legal formalities, but never something actually accepted by the population.

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> Political unity has only ever been achieved at a point where the severity of outside pressures forced a group of people together.

Political unity generally comes from 'within' not from 'without'. A group of elites or an ethnic group forms the 'center' or the state and pacifies and unifies those around them. This unity is normally achieved through force. It's true throughout the world - the united kingdom, france, russia, china or the US or japan or anyone else really.

> For the EU to come together it can only ever be on behalf of outside pressure

No. Outside pressure is why many attempts at 'the united states of europe' has failed. Napoleon/france tried to create 'the united states of europe'. Britain and russia put a stop to it. Hitler/germany tried to create 'the united states of europe'. Britain/US and russia put a stop to it.

I forgot which historian said it, but he described the last 200 years of european history as 'anglo-russian meddling to prevent a franco-german unity ( aka 'the united states of europe' )'.

The problem for europe is that they have no core ( ethnic group, language, history, culture, religion, etc ) to build a united states of europe around. And that a united states of europe would be the primary threat to the united states of america/anglo world and russia. Meaning the US/britain and russia will constantly be fomenting division within europe to prevent a united states of europe.

Maybe try 'united states of germania'? 'United states of romancia'? 'United states of the baltics'? Baby steps?

> I forgot which historian said it, but he described the last 200 years of european history as 'anglo-russian meddling to prevent a franco-german unity ( aka 'the united states of europe' )'.

Please let us know if you recall who it is, I'm intensely curious about this.