[rramadass]

> But we don't have an "outside-in" view? You have an inside + "guess the outside" view.

This is not quite true. There is an Objective Reality consisting of physical laws (invariant in our Universe), Evolutionary evidence explaining the plethora of flora/fauna etc. We are but one species amongst the many that populate this planet. There is nothing "special" about Homo Sapiens (we simply occupy our own niche in the evolutionary tree) except for our different brains resulting in a greater degree of "self-awareness" and more complex social structures than other species.

> If there is an "objective" meaning to our lives which is without recourse to an inside-out view, then we have no access to it.

Not true at all. The whole of Modern Science is founded on trying to find out Objective Reality independent of us and has been quite successful at it.

[usgroup]

You should then be able to show that objective reality exists without recourse to subjective experience.

I’m all ears :-)

[rramadass]

Huh? It is almost as if you have not read/understood what i had implied w.r.t. Modern Science in my comments above. I had even specifically mentioned "Physical Laws", "Evolution" etc. Notwithstanding the fact that it is our "Consciousness" which "perceives Reality" through "Subjective Experiences" we have managed to remove a whole lot of subjectivity (biases, emotions etc.) through the application of rigorous Scientific Methods to understand a "Objective Reality". All of your Physical Sciences/Technology is proof of that.

Some readings;

1) Objectivity in Science - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Objectivity_(science)

2) Subjectivity and Objectivity in Philosophy - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subjectivity_and_objectivity_(...

PS: In the Samkhya/Yoga school of Hindu philosophy there is a neat assertion which goes - Objective Reality exists because it is common to others besides oneself.