| > You’re avoiding the question Hard to answer such a question. It's not well formulated. The set of non-western morality is all of the rest of them. Name any morality and you can likely find an example from present day and/or history where it is stronger or weaker than the western equivalent. In some cultures, there will be moralities that do not even exist in the west. Western morality is generally rooted in christian morality. If the idea is that morality cannot exist without christian morality, I would suggest that is a very myopic view. If we reject that view, then by definition there must be examples. (I would probably argue that anyone with the view that the only morality possible is christian morality, and without that there is no morality - I'd argue they are a theocrat). So, the most direct answer to the question is: "all of them." Think of Buddhism, stronger value on life. Think of Japan, stronger value on honor. Think of places with universal healthcare, there is a stronger value on equality and that those with money are not the only ones who get to have medical treatment. Think of the parable of the fisherman and banker: https://medium.com/life-lemons/what-you-can-learn-from-a-mex... Another example, Western/christian morality usually does not ascribe animals as having a soul. There is therefore no moral issue in factory farming. I don't view millions of creatures living in those conditions as moral. Buddhists would go even further, they don't even kill insects because all life is utterly sacred to them. Another example, the "7th generation" tradition/morality of Native Americans. Namely, the concept is that a person's use of the land and resources should be sustainable such that those resources would still be there 7 generations from now (which is essentially the descendents of your descendents whom you will never know). That level of respect for land and environment is not there in western morality. > basically saying that western morality shouldn’t be followed just because some people don’t follow it. Not at all what I'm saying. I said it's a mixed bag. Western morality is not superior on every dimension compared to every other society that exists or has ever existed. Nor is western morality inferior to everything else - it's a mixed bag. I'm not making a judgment or recommendation for what people should follow. I've come to learn that whenever a society/culture believes that it is better in every way to everything else, it's propoganda. This is more what I'm saying, people often have a superiority complex for their family/town/country/religion/morales (where all of the kids are above average). For example, the soviet union was not better in every way than the USA, and vice versa too. To drill in, the Soviet Union kinda effectively had a universal basic income. Meanwhile, Vietnam US veterans were returning & found no jobs and many went homeless (zero safety net). On the other side, the average quality of life in the soviet union was worse, lower health expectency, far worse healthcare, almost no goods available outside of the basic goods, and social mobility was far less than the US. It's a mixed bag. > Also, I’m not cherry picking. I tried to find examples online, and that’s what I found. That is kinda the definition of cherry picking, whether intentional or not, those are the examples you happen to have found. Is there any coincidence that list is entirely negative? Further, from that list, I'd suggest many of those negative moralities exist in western morality as well. - theocracy: western morality being from christian morality - all those people who say the US constitution is rooted in "God's law" - that's theocracy. It's quite strong in the west, a place historically where there have been many theocracies. - authoritarian over democratic: This is a struggle in Western morality still. Examples, the US overthrew democractically elected leaders of several nations and replaced with a dictator (EG: Iran & Panama). Historically, colonialism is a creature of Europe (the west), and colonial empires is extremely anti-democratic. Consider the people of Puerto Rico today - taxation without representation. Which is to say, it's not all ancient history, but in lots of ways is recent history and is still present day today. Which is to say, this is not a universal western value and is still being debated/fought today. You can also look to some examples like Father Coughlin of the 1930s, an American Nazi sympathizer that had "At the height of his popularity in the early 1930s, some 30 million listeners tuned in to hear his emotional messages" [1] - hierarcical caste systems: India banned this in 2013. This is a pretty isolated example in a way considering it's just one region of the world. I would counter that there are other hierarchical systems in the West as well. Even in the US, for a long time, and still today. Consider typhoid Mary for example, she did not want to stop being a cook because that was the best job someone of her class could get. There is the "old" and "new" money concept in the US, and let's not ignore slavery. Which.. the US is still coming to grips with how to structure society after it had such a strong hierarchal system where the lowest members were not even considered human (they were slaves, property). A lot of historians note that the US is still dealing with the questions and ramifications of Reconstruction even today (from this perspective, 100 years is basically nothing, it's recent history; the US civil war was not that long ago). So, all is to say, a caste system based on wealth is not that dissimilar in ways. - gender inequality: plenty of this in the West. As a counter-example, consider that many non-western societies are matriarchies. - arranged marriages: This was/has been a thing in the West as well. - corporal punishment: US penal system can be described as this in ways. The US prison system is far worse than many others. Getting 10 years in jail for possession of small amounts of drugs and then everything that happens to be people in prison.. Grant it, it's not flogging. - honor killings: "Many Muslim leaders in the US say that Islam does not promote honor killings and that the practice stems from sexism and tribal behavior that predates the religion" [2]. The idea of honor killings can take different forms, and it's not unique. Consider as well that many people are disowned by their families if they are gay. What is more though, the idea that this is a "non-western" morality is a extremely debatable, and is going after a small example to potentially emphasize confirmation bias. - tradition over critical thinking: I listened to a preacher that came to my university college campus that lamented that there was no god in the university. That god should be taught in every class, physics & math included (which by definition those studies precludes god). The idea that the world can be left as an open-sewer, that the atmosphere cannot be ruined because God would not allow it and would rapture up everyone soon anyways - those are still pretty mainstream ideas in the West rooted in tradition. Consider yet more examples, "A League of their own" - traditionally women do not wear pants, yet any critical thinker would realize you want to wear pants when playing baseball. There's plenty of anecdotes and examples to put into question whether this is truly a western morality or not. [1] https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/americanexperience/features/holocau... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honor_killing_in_the_United_St... |