[8372049]

I think GP's point wasn't whether or not Australia should count (I agree that it should), but that the level between "the bad" (the US, Hungary, parts of former Yugoslavia, parts of Eastern Europe etc.) and "the good" (Finland, Estonia, Norway, etc.) is pretty big.

[morkalork]

I thought it referred to Western Europe and the Anglosphere exclusively. Central/Eastern Europe wasn't included, especially countries that were part of the soviet bloc. One can talk about them becoming westernized now, but that just emphasizes how they aren't a part of the group, just becoming like it. Also, the US is epitome of western countries. All of it. The good, the bad and the ugly.

[medo-bear]

I actually think "West" and "East" should go out of vocabulary. Originally Western meant civilised and modern, while Eastern meant crude and backward.

[willcipriano]

I'd just stop calling the "good" ones western, they are something different.