[rpmisms]

I read the farms (mostly CWC's thread, some absolutely phenomenal original research), I'm aware of what generally happens there. The only real rule is that porn can't be posted for its own sake. It exists and has a right to do so.

The farms exists to shame degeneracy. It started as CWC farms to track the behavior of Chris-chan, of course it's going to be a crazy place. This does not mean they don't deserve access to the backbone of the Internet. You're making moral judgements about who gets to practice legal speech.

[thrwaway1234567]

There are things on the website aren't legal speech or are at least legally questionable. Harassment is illegal for one.

The owner is fine with revenge porn being posted, and this has gotten him blocked by some hosts. He's also said he won't ban users who commit illegal acts.

[ranger_danger]

> he won't ban users who commit illegal acts

I think this is more of a legal issue regarding selective enforcement and Section 230. He has a good lawyer and always wins his cases, maybe don't be so quick to claim he is being wreckless or breaking laws.

[thrwaway1234567]

I don't think he'd qualify for the good faith moderation mentioned in section 230.

He's only won cases against Melinda Scott.

[ranger_danger]

What cases has he lost then? Can you cite specific examples?

[thrwaway1234567]

He also hasn't lost any cases yet. Other than Melinda Scott, all the other lawsuits against him are ongoing.

[rpmisms]

Revenge porn isn't generally illegal to post. Posting pornography as revenge is the illegal bit, generally speaking. Also, harassment is illegal in some cases, but talking on a public forum generally doesn't qualify. If the parties talked about it publicly and then committed it, that's their problem.

I'm anti-harassment and not in favor of revenge porn. Not really relevant to this discussion, where my position is simply that the law is the law, the government's job is to enforce the law, and companies should be out to make money, not make pretend laws and enforce them via silent agreements.

[thrwaway1234567]

>Revenge porn isn't generally illegal to post. Posting pornography as revenge is the illegal bit, generally speaking.

IIRC, there are laws against sharing revenge porn in 48 states. They don't require you to be the person it was originally shared to: https://cybercivilrights.org/nonconsensual-distribution-of-i...

>Also, harassment is illegal in some cases, but talking on a public forum generally doesn't qualify. If the parties talked about it publicly and then committed it, that's their problem.

If the example of Null asking his users to harass someone doesn't count, then at what point can something be considered organized harassment?

Another example is the user "Not Based and Redpilled" hacking the game developer of Yandere Simulator. Other users were egging him on and giving suggestions on how to misuse the hacked account. Null was aware of it and described it as a violation of federal law, but didn't punish the hacker. In fact the only user who was punished was someone who criticized the hack: https://archive.is/dr0MR#10%

[rpmisms]

Subsection 3 in the Nevada law is pretty broad, likely protecting the farms fully.

> If the example of Null asking his users to harass someone doesn't count, then at what point can something be considered organized harassment?

If he asked them to, and those specific users committed illegal harassment in the manner he requested, that would be organized harassment.

[thrwaway1234567]

That page I linked lists all of the laws in the usa about revenge porn. Kiwifarms isn't based in nevada as far as I am aware, I believe it's west virginia or florida.

[rpmisms]

It is West Virginia. West Virginia's statute protects against illicit recordings in places with a reasonable expectation of privacy. It does not penalize someone who runs the platform where it is shared.