[reducesuffering]

Did you read Jan Leike's resignation? https://x.com/janleike/status/1791498174659715494

I hope others see that there are two extremely intelligent sides, but one has mega $$ to earn and the other is pleading that there are dangers ahead and not to follow the money and fame.

This is climate change and oil companies all over again, and just like then and now, oil companies are winning.

Fundamentally, many people are the first stage, denial. Staring down our current trajectory of AGI is one of the darkest realities to imagine and that is not pleasant to grapple with.

[swatcoder]

The alternate take is that the ceiling is proving to be lower than originally hoped, and that one team of startup folk are looking to squeeze out a business model that satisfies their original investors and the other team of passionate researchers are ready to go find their next bold research opportunities elsewhere.

[reducesuffering]

> passionate researchers are ready to go find their next bold research opportunities elsewhere

Not supported by Ilya agreeing with board to fire Sam Altman.

I also think you'll struggle to find a majority of people thinking AI research's "ceiling is proving to be lower than originally hoped", what with 4o, SORA, GPT5 all coming and it's only been 1.5 years since ChatGPT.

[mgdev]

I like this take best. :)

Most folks who are part of the startup, don't care to stick around for the scale. Different phases of the company tend to attract different types of people.

[mgdev]

I hadn't until now, but it's the other failure mode I mentioned in another fork [1] of this thread:

> A small, central R&D team may work with management to set the bar, but they can't be responsible for mitigating the risk on the ground - and they shouldn't be led to believe that that is their job. It never works, and creates bad team dynamics. Either the central team goes too far, or they feel ignored. (See: security, compliance.)

[1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40391283