[realusername]

> They are getting even more over-engineered, fully stuffed of useless, cheap, consumer-standard-manufactured gadgets, with software so unbelievabley shit that wouldn't be allowed to run on anything else, design and engineering teams lead by testosteroned morons - and everything targeted on rent-seeking and commodifying for the quick buck.

Same for new ICE cars, maybe even worse than electric cars.

If you want a reasonable "just-works" minimalist design, you have to buy a used car prior 2010. Anything newer will suffer from those issues.

[RetroTechie]

> If you want a reasonable "just-works" minimalist design, you have to buy a used car prior 2010. Anything newer will suffer from those issues.

Afaik both China & India have some EV models that fit this description. (Relatively) simple, and cheap.

But those are either not street-legal in EU or US because 'reasons', or there's import tarifs high enough to undo any cost advantage.

Just replace ICE with electric drivetrain, do the minimum necessary to meet legal & safety requirements, but cut out (most) modern conveniences / luxuries, telemetry, self-driving etc. Then you'd have a winner.

[bonton89]

I can understand his feelings somewhat since it seems electric cars spearheaded this malicious idiocy but rest assured it is already here for ICEs and getting worse. Rejecting electric vehicles might feel like the only way to signal distaste for this behavior if he needs a newer car.