[LocutusOfBorges]

Twenty years too late for it to possibly matter, but it's still nice to see.

Interesting that there's no mention of what licence the source is being released under - and it's only available following email enquiries, of all things. I'm surprised they're even bothering, at this point - the software's so obsolete that it's not like it has much in the way of value anymore beyond nostalgia.

[bcraven]

I use the community update of Winamp, WACUP, and it's excellent. I've tried other media players but always come back here.

I'm not even one of those people who likes the shitty visualisations, I just think the interface works perfectly.

https://getwacup.com/

[pessimizer]

They seem to be just as cagey about the licensing. Not that there's any obligation for people to be FOSS if they want to give software away, but the intentional avoidance of the question is always instructive. Just say that it's not FOSS, it's fine.

> Will it be free ?

> Yes WACUP will be free to download & to use.

> This is an independent project & due to the amount of time & effort which is involved, I am accepting donations (and other means of support) to help cover my living costs whilst I'm working on getting this developed & released. As at this time, this is a full-time project for me whilst I see where the future will take me & this project.

[xtracto]

I love QMMP ( https://qmmp.ylsoftware.com/ ). It is compatible with Winamp Skins, supports network playing (shoutcast) and works pretty well in my Linux Mint installations. I may be old fashioned, but man my brain has got so much "muscle memory" on years and years of Winamp use during the 90s ...

I cannot live without stuff like equalizers, visualization plugins, Last.FM scrobbing and even automated track "ripping" of radio stations.

It makes me so sad the state of current audio players like YouTube Music, Spotify, Tidal and the likes. featurewise they are so... bland. Millenials and GenZs just don't enjoy music the same way I used to enjoy it. Maybe it is because there so much of it now that it doesn't matter so much

[babypuncher]

Have you checked out foobar2000? To me, it always felt like the true successor to Winamp.

[koito17]

foobar2000 has been my go-to player on both Windows and Mac for about a decade now. Particularly, I like the dense (yet uncluttered) interface and functionality I take for granted, like selecting a dozen files and editing metadata all at once.

A few of my friends complain that the layout "sucks" or foobar lacks functionality they need, but for my use case, it's in a Goldilocks state. With that said, for people used to the functionality of Winamp, I think MusicBee is more likely to be the successor, in terms of out-of-the-box functionality and layout extensibility.

[babypuncher]

> A few of my friends complain that the layout "sucks" or foobar lacks functionality they need, but for my use case,

I see these complaints too, and I find them funny. The layout is what you make of it. I don't care for any of the layout presets presented in the "Quick Appearance Setup" dialog, but the default UI component is very easy to customize almost any way you want. There's even a scratchbox feature that lets you experiment with building a whole UI from scratch without messing with your current layout.

As for the functionality they find it lacks, well, there's probably a component for that.

Frankly I find foobar2000 comes with a ton of functionality out of the box that other media players don't have, like the very robust features found in the "Tagging" and "File Operations" context menu entries.

[zem]

to be fair, it's a lot easier to tell if you do or do not like something than it is to design something you do like. I run into that with vim colorschemes all the time

[Scene_Cast2]

I find it amusing that modern foobar2k theming is based around Javascript.

[leeoniya]

you'd have a hard time replicating this UI [1] or other winamp skins in foobar2000, so i'm not sure i'd call it a successor except in the sense that it can play anything you throw at it.

[1] https://getwacup.com/screenshots/

[babypuncher]

I consider it a successor in that it's compact with an emphasis on user customization and community-designed plugins/components. Like Winamp, most functionality you get out of the box is provided by bundled plugins, and they can be replaced with alternatives.

Out of the box, you could certainly customize it to have a similar layout to winamp even if none of the dressing looks at all the same.

My layout[1] is certainly very different than Winamp, but still conforms a lot more to the basic shape of Winamp than the usual giant screen-filling squares that are iTunes, Windows Media Player or the Spotify desktop client.

1. https://i.postimg.cc/R0JzVTK8/image.png

[cageface]

I'm working on my own cross platform music player that I think has a more polished interface than foobar. I have mac builds now and will start doing windows builds soon:

https://plastaq.com/minimoon

[niutech]

It's made in Flutter, well done!

[cageface]

Thanks!

Overall I’ve had a great experience with Flutter. I tried a few cross platform stacks before settling on it and it feels like the most polished and mature choice.

[spacechild1]

foobar2000 is great! I love the minimal (default) UI. Never even bothered to customize.

[dvngnt_]

musicbee is my favorite

[QuercusMax]

It's windows-only? Weird.

[stuaxo]

It's Windows only for now.

The architecture of Winamp is made of various plugins. WACUP is replacing them bit by bit.

Once everything is replaced then porting could be possible, though it's been only built for Windows so there must be a lot of Windows-isms in there.

[Dwedit]

There have been Linux-based clones of Winamp for a long time, such as XMMS (which directly supports Winamp skins).

[gunapologist99]

XMMS is the O.G. but audacious and Qmmp now also support classic winamp skins.

[RunSet]

5.666 installed and is running well under wine for me.

[Lammy]

Weird? It's Winamp lol

[m00x]

Who's gonna build TempleAmp?

[aleph_minus_one]

Music does not sound good on a PC speaker.

[Dwedit]

There are DOS-based MOD and MP3 players that output to the PC speaker.

[xnx]

With the source code someone can port it to make Linamp.

[maximilianburke]

There once was xmms

[JohnTHaller]

Qmmp is still being developed: https://qmmp.ylsoftware.com/

[kbenson]

Before that it was called x11amp, and after that it's been succeeded by a fork that ended up being Audacious, apparently.

[callwhendone]

don't forget Macamp.

[nathell]

Remember that before Winamp, there was DOSamp! I used to use version 0.8. Playback was jerky on a 486DX2/66 but once I upgraded to a Pentium, it was smooth sailing.

[Lammy]

Actually yeah I had forgotten about that alpha version awkwardly called “Winamp:Mac” because “MacAMP” was already taken by not-Nullsoft https://macintoshgarden.org/apps/winampmac https://macintoshgarden.org/apps/macamp-10-preview-edition

And the Android version which I used briefly around 2010 before getting into Subsonic/D-Sub https://forums.winamp.com/forum/winamp/winamp-for-android/29...

[kbenson]

Yeah, if you want something similar for other systems, try x11amp.

(Yes I know it's not called that anymore and I'm showing my age).

[TulliusCicero]

Literally just yesterday I was staring at Winamp's basic visualizer because I was trying to make something similar in my Godot game.

I'm still not sure exactly what I'm missing, as I have the "gist" of the visualizer working, but it just doesn't look as smooth as Winamp's. I think I need slight persistence and the little effect with the 'caps' that slowly fall down for each column (right now mine looks too jittery).

[foxandmouse]

have you looked at the ProjectM: https://github.com/projectM-visualizer/projectm

[ihatehn]

Those might be called peaks or peak indicators: common in audio interfaces to indicate the maximal decibels in each frequency bucket over the last second or so, so that you don't miss seeing a split-second super loud sound.

[swatcoder]

It may carry downstream license obligations of its own, that prohibit/complicate public release.

Relatedly, they might be hoping that one of the people looking at it might be willing to buy out or take over contractual responsibility for any components that can't be relicensed to traditional open source. Basically, parading the source around like a debutante because other channels to find buyers haven't panned out.

Or it's just real-world commercial code and is kind of embarassing by the standards of public open source projects.

[RevEng]

I still use it for all of my locally stored MP3s. I haven't seen a music player in a long time that focused on playing music rather than being a media library.

[rocky1138]

They tried to shove that in at the end but it's easy to one click it away the first time you turn it on

[SAI_Peregrinus]

Foobar2000?

[defrost]

Foobar2K still has an active low key community, it has plugins and a framework that allows tech users to add features and share them, but the main release has the approach I prefer - good display capabilities for media library meta data with flexible layout options .. and it's on the user to populate that meta data with third party tools (or plugins).

Primarily it's just a player, potentially it's a lot.

[callwhendone]

took them 20 years to figure out that they can't monetize their media player

[davidgerard]

I was surprised to find how many people still use Winamp now.

[M95D]

No, it's not. We still don't have a decent not-bloatware not-crippleware music player in Linux.

[flexagoon]

A search for "music player" gives a ton of results many of which are not bloated

https://flathub.org/apps/search?q=Music%20player

[Rinzler89]

XMMS?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XMMS