[iknowstuff]

Parking takes space. Outdoor parking keeps everything far apart, less walkable and unpleasant for anyone outside of a car. It also costs a fuck ton of money and is environmentally damaging. If you want good parking you gotta be willing to shell out its real unsubsidized cost of $10-$20/h in a multilevel garage.

[antonkochubey]

$10-20/hr is $7200 - 14400 per month. Is rent of 10 square meters really that expensive whereever it is that you live?

[iknowstuff]

Short term parking is indeed that expensive, depending on the garage. Obviously cheaper in less desirable areas.

[close04]

GP was probably referring to the value of the land. There are very few places in the world where land is rented for ~$1500/sqm/month. I don't live in the US but took San Francisco as a reference for an expensive city in terms of land and parking.

A quick look on real estate websites [0] suggests you can buy land in San Francisco quite central for $10k-15k per square meter.

If we take the value of the service, parking prices for San Francisco [1] are as high as $7/h and as low as free (at night).

Unless I looked in all the wrong places or my math needs triple checking, the numbers you're very adamant about look wildly misaligned with reality even for peaks, let alone for average or median. That doesn't bode well at all for any opinion based on them. And it encourages the other side of the conversation to come with equally unrealistic claims about the cost and impact of "my biking lanes".

In your top comment you recommended the Not Just Bikes YouTube channel. But it either didn't correct these views or worse, it encouraged them. Not a stellar recommendation.

[0] Zillow but the URL us ungodly long. Easy to check it by yourself though.

[1] https://www.sfmta.com/demand-responsive-parking-pricing

[resolutebat]

GP did not mention San Francisco? Weekday parking in NYC garages starts from $20/hr, and $50/hr is not unheard of.

[close04]

Fair enough but I don't need to tell you that if SF is "too cheap" and you have to pick the highest prices on the continent to make your point about general prices, you're making the wrong point.

Not even getting into the whole "subsidized parking" gem, as if the normal price is "peak price" or else it's subsidized. This kind of ludicrous statements undermine any point one might try to make along side. Curious about their opinion on their own heavily subsidized bicycle, down from the normal price of $500k [0].

Bonus, there are more places to park for under $10/h in Manhattan than there are for $50 [1].

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Butterfly_Trek_Madone

[1] https://www.parkme.com/new-york-city-parking

[iknowstuff]

The point of view is that even garage parking prices are depressed due to wide availability of on-street parking and parking space mandates in the country. Those serve, effectively, as subsidies for car owners. All that public space is wasted and made available for free to car owners, and the burden is shared by the rest of society. All that is just talking real estate - don’t forget the high environmental impact of concrete/asphalt, water runoff/evaporation issues, urban heat islands due to taking up greenery etc., higher incidence of accidents due to view obstruction and every other health and environmental issue that comes with encouragement of cars.

I don’t know exactly what a fully unsubsidized cost of parking is, but I’m not using hyperbole. It’s closer to $10-20/h than the ridiculously low prices people have grown accustomed to.