[hollerith]

The US (and Europe I'm guessing) banned human germ-line engineering in the 1970s, and so far the tech has stayed stopped worldwide. The Chinese scientist who proudly announced a success with the tech (about 10 years ago) was jailed by the Chinese government.

So, no, if the US and UK ban large training runs, there's a very good chance the rest of the world will follow.

What the Chinese government wants more than anything is a stable domestic political situation: they want to avoid a revolution, and they want to avoid the country's breaking up into 2 or 3 countries. And just like they perceived (correctly, IMHO) that the internet has a lot of potential to cause political instability and responded by vigorously regulating it, they're likely to vigorously regulate AI (while using AI to help them surveil their population). Facebook has made it more likely China will vigorously regulate AI by releasing a potent model under open-source-like terms, which proves to Beijing exactly how advances in AI can put power in the hands of the average Chinese citizen, which again the Chinese government does not want.

BTW, there's no need for you to stop running your open source model on your Apple silicon or 4090: if those models were capable of causing significant problems for people, they would've done so already, so stopping their distribution and use is not on the agenda of the people trying stop "foundational" progress in AI.

[AnimalMuppet]

> The US (and Europe I'm guessing) banned human germ-line engineering in the 1970s, and so far the tech has stayed stopped worldwide.

And so far as we know the tech has stayed stopped worldwide. (With at least one exception, as you point out. But that exception was, apparently, not officially approved.)

Do you really think North Korea won't do this if they think they see some benefit?

[hollerith]

Secret projects to continue to advance AI are much less of a danger than the current situation in which tens of thousands of AI researchers worldwide are in constant communication with each other with no need to hide the communications from the public or from any government.

Advancing the current publicly-known state of the art to the point where AI becomes potent enough to badly bite us (e.g., to cause human extinction) is probably difficult enough so as to not be in Pyongyang's power or even in Moscow's or Beijing's power especially if the government has to do it under the constraint of secrecy. It probably requires the worldwide community of researchers continuing to collaborate freely to reach the dubious "achievement" of creating an AI model that is so cognitively capable that once deployed, no human army, no human institution, would be able to stop it.

[tivert]

> ...especially if the government has to do it under the constraint of secrecy. It probably requires the worldwide community of researchers continuing to collaborate freely to reach the dubious "achievement" of creating an AI model that is so cognitively capable that once deployed, no human army, no human institution, would be able to stop it.

And stopping now may be helpful towards stalling advances (if they're even possible), by providing just enough capability to pollute the potential training data going forward. If the public internet becomes a "dead internet" or a "zombie internet," it'll be much harder to economically assemble good and massive datasets.

All the AI hype (and its implications) is bringing me around to the idea of viewing spam (of all things) as a moral good.