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EU commission designates Booking.com as a digital gatekeeper under DMA (twitter.com)
56 points by larrysalibra 762 days ago
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The same announcement from their own website: https://social.network.europa.eu/@EU_Commission/112434381586...
.. which ultimately links to https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/IP_24_... , the real announcement. Also talks about Twitter ("X") and TikTok ads.

Perhaps this will do something about the deceptive practices of booking.com, such as fake urgency.

Is this Europe's first home grown digital gatekeeper?
And is mostly coded in Perl...
I thought it was Java?
Recruiter trick ... :-))

https://stackshare.io/booking-com/booking-com

This is a very old post, but you know how it is with legacy code.., Notice is r/perl

One of the Developers acknowledges more than 160 Developers doing Perl....

https://www.reddit.com/r/perl/comments/1mkdl4/what_exactly_i...

No, Europe would never regulate their own companies this much. BMW gets away with violating privacy laws regularly, and something tells me Spotify will never be asked to stop being so hostile to consumers.
Europe would never... do what they just announced that they did? What are you even trying to communicate beyond "Europe bad"?
could you tell us more about BMW?

Spotify is not a monopoly. this website from Deezer helps you to go to deezer by copying all music. https://www.deezer.com/explore/de/features/transfer-playlist...

Spotify is in an odd position; it's the labels which are monopolies, by definition of how copyright works. They're the current winner of the fragile truce in the piracy wars between consumers and labels. Normally considered to be bad for artists, not consumers, although they have been engaging in dark pattern behavior lately.
Which dark patters are you refering, too?

Im not sure. The amount of money isnt so big. If instead of 70 % , Spotify gives 100 % to the labels / artist, they still wouldnt get that much money. This is also the case for Apple Music, Deezer and Youtube Music. Im not sure if DMA applies to.

Spotify have started pushing artists and podcast to the 'front page' some years ago.

Your own playlist are hidden compared to how they used to be.

When you click on an artist you are fed 'recommended' artist and merch before the songs.

Podcasts take space from music.

Etc. A lot of antipatterns to push BS I don't want and wastes my time and focus.

BMW refuses to delete my (or anyone’s) information and the DPO address doesn’t get a response.
What does the authorities say when you contact them?
They say nothing other than I just have to file a formal complaint which requires legal representation. I don’t want to waste my money on something that won’t happen anyways.
That's bad. where do you live? Did you contact the authorities related to your country?
Germany, and it went nowhere.

shocker

Deezer does not have native linux support.
I think so. They don't just destroy foreign companies, sometimes they destroy their own.
Regulating predatory practices is not the same as destroying a company. And if it happens to be the same, then that's probably a good thing. I have my problems with many things EU, but that hotels are allowed to provide cheaper prices themselves is just good for both the hotel and the guest.
There is nothing predatory that I know of booking.com's practices. I know that hackers have a categorical hostility towards any large company (but not towards large governments or large banks of course), but could you explain what Booking.com does wrong?

Are they supposed to provide a central search engine with availability and reviews and a large customer base for free to any hotel owner? And when any guest makes a booking, the hotel owner sends them a message "Hey, cancel your reservation on booking and book with me instead and I'll give you a little discount." I guess hackers think that is marvellous, but how is that fair to booking? It is the hotels that ask to be on booking, they are free to do without and many do with great success.

Awaiting the responses saying "The government should provide an online booking platform and ban all others".

Ask any hotel manager if he likes booking.com or if he prefers independent or direct booking. It's a racket
I used to be a hotel manager. Now I work in almost direct competition to booking. Booking is not a racket, you are free to not use them if you don't like them and you are free to take rooms away from booking if you want to limit how much they can sell. The hotel has compete control of how they use booking.

Your job as a hotel manager is to do what you can to increase direct reservations and reduce booking.com's share of your total reservations. But the reality is that most are too lazy or incompetent to make guests comfortable to book directly instead of through booking. Some hotels are even so donkey brained that they offer better rates on booking than on their own website. Then cry to regulators?

No, the Regulation (in this case) is the predatory practice, which is destroying companies. There's a reason the EU doesn't have many successful companies.

DMA is the problem, it's not "that hotels are allowed to provide cheaper prices themselves". DMA does not regulate (or provide) that "hotels are allowed to provide cheaper prices themselves" because hotels were always allowed to do this.

Even I admit that DMA has a couple good things, but it is overwhelmed by the bad. DMA goes way, way too far and it causes destruction.

EU policies are extremely overbearing, arrogant and totalitarian. This is destroying business.

So what are the concrete problems with the DMA? I do not know it well enough but as a EU citizen and small business owner I am generally very happy with other EU regulations.
From the keypoints of the DMA, this change should require that:

Booking.com can not prevent hotels from providing booking through other sites.

booking.com can not prevent hotels from advertising special deals without giving booking.com a cut.

booking.com must give hotels tools to independent verify advertisements that hotels are paying for.

Booking.com must give hotels access to booking data in real time, and must provide export options for such data.

Booking.com can not give booking.com owned hotels preference over other hotels. (not sure if there are such hotels).

Booking.com can not compete with hotels using the hotels own booking data.

I’m not sure you’ll get a good answer. They’ve been on HN for 9 years and have -3 karma lol
> This is destroying business.

Middle men like Hotels.com etc are destroying business by adding a hidden extra booking fee from the consumers.

Would you rather be forced to scour a dozen hotel sites individually to find a place to stay? Arguably "Middle men like Hotels.com etc" are providing a valuable service by allowing consumers to comparison shop in one place. Unless you think such sites should be government funded, it's only fair that they charge a fee for their service.
No DMA will and does destroy business.
> There's a reason the EU doesn't have many successful companies

I'm sorry, what? What could possibly make you think that?

Yes, I'm going to have to see some evidence for a claim as wild as that.
Looking into it further, it seems booking.com is only "sort of European". Booking.com (headquartered in Amsterdam) is actually owned by Booking Holdings (an American company), which seems to have originated as Priceline, which then bought booking.com and renamed/restructured itself into Booking Holdings and owns Priceline, kayak, booking.com, Agoda and a bunch of other airline/hotel aggregators.
That goes for a lot of companies operating out of NL though.

They're there mostly for tax and stock issuing reason, but tend to be majority owned and managed by some US VC/PE/investment group or other kinds of foreign entities who need a EU HQ.

It's what makes the NL jobs (and housing) market so hot.

I think in this case booking.com was founded in Amsterdam and were purchased by an American company at some point and they aren't there just for tax reasons. I guess it is possible it is the reason they stay there, though!
No this happens a lot. The only reason is tax benefits. They do need an office with alike 10 employees and a flower in it though (to ensure there are actually people there lol), but that’s about it.

So they either stay in NL, or do some sandwich with London or Dublin. It helps that the main Dutch party VVD is completely corrupt and only in there to enrich themselves.

It was not founded in Amsterdam, but rather in Enschede by a student at the University of Twente.
Which foreign companies have they destroyed?
You keep going on about "destruction" without even explaining what specifically is happening here that is so bad that booking.com will be unable to continue operating?
I'm talking about the fines and fines and fines that EU has been levying on business in general and the DMA is just another window into that. I'm not talking about just booking.com
I didn't see any comments on implications. Can anyone TLDR?
They will have to increase transparency (rankings algo, pricing etc), allow data portability for users (and hotels), and avoiding self-preferencing of its services over competitors and face stricter regulatory oversight from EU.
Seems like good things to me.