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by kogir 761 days ago
I’ve never actually been detained or questioned (but know people who have).

If I were I’d tell them the truth that I feel more vulnerable during the chaos of travel and don’t want any risk that a lost or stolen device could leak anything personal.

Would this satisfy them? No idea. Getting stopped at the border is legitimately a single small concern of many more likely scenarios.

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for you or anyone reading this, let me enlighten you. when you are dealing with border police there are a few things that you will come to understand. in practice, these border police answer to absolutely no one. there is no oversight and there are no consequences for them treating you poorly -- in practice. for future commenters please read the following words: "IN PRACTICE." the idea that you would tell them that you feel vulnerable about such and such and they would be understanding about it literally makes me laugh. they couldnt care less about the way you feel or whether or not you are at risk for leaks, theft, humiliation or any other bad outcome. you are less than human to them. this is what its like when there is almost literally zero accountability. if they pull you aside, they have already decided that you are guilty. sometimes they might search you and let you go but they also will just decide that they dont like the look of you and that you arent going to get in. once they pull you aside they can search you, interrogate you, hold you, whatever they want. the idea of there being some human element to this interaction is completely laughable.

pretty much every country runs one of these stockyard style mini police states on their borders now. and everyone puts up with it because of "terrorists." meanwhile, literally millions of undocumented people have streamed over the southern border of the US in recent years and how many terror attacks has that resulted in? well ill be damned, zero! so it turns out when the border police tear up your stuff, treat you like human shit and cost you thousands of dollars in hotel and other reservations because they decided they just didnt like the look of you -- it was literally all for nothing! besides the sadistic pleasure that the border police take in hurting people of course. isnt life just so funny like that? hee hee!

most people dont know because the vast majority of people are never pulled aside. but if 80% of people had the experience of being pulled aside, the same one that people have now, even if they all made it through to their destination... the border police would essentially be abolished back to their pre-9/11 status. its gotten completely out of control.

canada is the worst offender when it comes to this. one time they pulled me aside and one by one i literally explained or swatted down every single one of the officers objections. they werent used to someone who was already familiar with how things work. she tries to pull out a paper and pen and ask me all of my destinations to prove that i couldn't afford the trip. and half way through my meticulous and articulate explanation of my plans and stops it became very obvious that i could afford the trip and the clip board kind of melted away off to the side and she chose something else to nit pick me on. ive had canadian border police literally bark at me, sneering, eyebrows slanted at 45 degrees like i was looking at a cartoon character. they really treat you like you arent even human.

edit: if you give a phone call to the canadian border police, i forget the acronym, the first thing you hear is an automated message that swearing and verbal abuse will not be tolerated. IE they have tons of people who make angry phone calls to them after being put through their sadistic border process. how can they not realize that if they dont want people to be mad, they should treat people like human beings. thats the thing, they way they treat you is completely unnecessary. its not like being rude will foil the terrorist.

The point of saying "I feel more vulnerable during the chaos of travel and don’t want any risk that a lost or stolen device could leak anything personal" is not to generate empathy in the border agent, it's to provide a plausible cover story that will cause minimal fuss. Whether or not they empathise with you is irrelevant.
The point is that they don't care about your cover story, they've already made up their mind about you.
Which is obviously not true, since most people who get pulled aside are let in after a few questions anyway.
for the country of canada or even in general i have an extremely hard time believing this
I truly don't see why you're being downvoted. Much of this is often true and some of it is sometimes true, but none of it is absolutely unbelievable. Speaking specifically of the Canadian border police, from personal experience with being "taken aside", I can vouch for an absolutely arrogant, condescending, shitty attitude of treating you as if you were a suspicious piece of scum for no good reason or justification outside the random bullshit they make up in the spur of the moment when they can find nothing concrete.
Then what’s the actual reason you wipe your phone?
this is a good question.

1) i don't really have anything to hide / i'm not doing crimes

however i also:

2) don't want to give my unlocked phone to a border force so they can download my entire life

but if i am compelled to unlock a blank phone to a border force:

3) they will suspect me of doing crimes

It's not a difficult answer—I bring a burner phone with me when traveling internationally because I don't want to run any risk of a thief getting the keys to the kingdom. Sure, I could remote wipe if that happened, but it feels a lot safer to just not have a phone with real data on it at all.

You're not the first person they've detained who didn't want to bring their real phone with them for totally innocent reasons.

My workplace does this for phones and laptops when people travel overseas. I thought it was pretty standard stuff nowadays.
How do you make sure they don't get their hands on the actual phone? Do you hide it?
They leave it at home probably.
Damn, are you serious? DON'T BRING IT WITH. How is that hard to understand?
Ok, so live like rms. I thought lolinder brings both their main phone and a decoy burner. No need to scream at me.

Unfortunately I need to use my phone from time to time.

"give me the man, and I will find the crime"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Give_me_the_man_and_I_will_giv...

I’m asking a person who said that they consider the border guards a tiny risk compared to all the real ones that motivate him to wipe his phone.