[Geezus_42]

As someone who supports Java apps, I don't think the errors have improved. They are completely nonsense to non-programmers, and they rarely ever have good documentation. Most only show up in old SO post, or application specific forums, and you have to sift through a ton of crap just to hopefully find an explanation or fix.

[tpmoney]

But what is it about Java errors specifically that make this a "java" problem as opposed to a "bad developers" problem? What makes "FileNotFoundException" more non-sensical to non programmers than "SEGFAULT" or "Error -256". Maybe you could argue that the stack traces and "let it bubble" behavior is useful to developers and as a result developers don't write better error handling to translate those errors into better user facing errors, but again that feels like a developer problem, not a language problem.

[kaba0]

What does it have to do with java though? It’s a programming language, not general artificial intelligence. If you wrote errors that suck, and then didn’t bother encapsulating it in some sane form before it hits the user, it’s entirely on you.

Java is decent enough that even when that happens, the log/stderr will at least be actionable by devs, which is much more than many other ecosystem can say.

[re-thc]

> They are completely nonsense to non-programmers, and they rarely ever have good documentation

This applies the same to other "popular" languages like Javascript i.e. NodeJs. I'd argue Java apps being supported by large corporations actually have better documentation.

> Most only show up in old SO post, or application specific forums

And a lot of "popular" issues only show up in a hidden github issues comment that may or may not be relevant anymore.