[Rinzler89]

>You've made effectively the same argument used against white students who went into the Deep South US in the 1960s to help the civil rights movement.

I'm sure I definitely haven't, but with enough mental gymnastics I see how one can draw such parallels.

>those benefits don't justify [X]

And where did I say it's justified?

All I did was point out the realities of what's happening, kind like a news reporter. I don't have a dog in this fight.

[josephg]

> All I did was point out the realities of what's happening, like a news reporter. I don't have a dog in this fight.

You clearly do. And I’m not going to pile on and disagree with your opinion, but your comment up thread expresses a pretty clear point of view about what you think of the well off who are berliners protesting Tesla. It’s not “just the facts”. It’s the facts obviously interpreted through your view of the world. Your psychoanalysis of the protesters. Your judgement of the “irony” of their actions.

Most news is like this, yes. And that’s not necessarily a bad thing. But your “realities of what’s happening” are clearly different from that of other people. Let’s not pretend your point of view is in any way objective.

[Rinzler89]

>You clearly do.

How so? I don't own any Tesla stock, I don't live in Germany, I don't work for the auto industry, and I'm not part of the protesters. All I have is my bucket of popcorn and front row seat. Don't pretend you know me and make false accusations or I'll have to end this conversation here if you keep making arguments in bad faith.

>Let’s not pretend your point of view is in any way objective.

Then who's point of view is objective here then, given your logic? God's? Aliens'?

Isn't every reported piece out there someone's own opinion and interpretation on the matter through their world view?

[josephg]

Alright, lets do this. Your comment started with:

> Which is ironic, considering the German economy supporting their education system, healthcare system, and welfare state that gave them that comfy lifestyle enabling them to have the time, money and freedom to protest without starving to death...

This has a clear, obvious point of view in it. When I read your comment, I see an argument that the protest is illegitimate in some way because they're rich and entitled. This is clearly how everyone replying to your comment reads your words too, given how they replied.

"All I did was point out the realities of what's happening" is not a fair description of your comment. You aren't describing the situation "like a news reporter". You're describing it like a debater who's trying to win a debate.

Again, I have no problem with that. Its a comment thread on the internet. We debate things all the time; and its delightful. But claiming that you're "pointing out the realities of what's happening, like a news reporter" is wrong. In my mind, it either points to a complete lack of self awareness or ignorance about what news is.

> Then who's point of view is objective here then, given your logic? God's? Aliens'? Isn't every reported piece out there someone's own opinion and interpretation on the matter through their world view?

There's a spectrum of "truth" to "hot take". At the "truth" end are things where if two people independently observe the same phenomenon, they'll consistently describe it the same way. I'd say "There was a protest against tesla motors" is on the "truth" side of this line. At the "hot take" end is an inference based on some not-widely-accepted set of ideas. Essentially, anything where multiple reasonable people wouldn't all agree about their description of events. "The protesters are entitled due to their comfy welfare state. Any nearby poor country would love tesla to open a factory there." is a hot take. See the difference?

News aims to stay on the "truth" side of that spectrum. Thats the difference between news and a blog post, editorial or an opinion piece.

Absolute perfection is impossible. Its impossible to have no point of view at all when telling a story. (Even the choice of what to talk about is a form of journalistic bias). But, your comment is so obviously not news that its uncomfortable.

[Rinzler89]

>When I read your comment, I see an argument that the protest is illegitimate in some way because they're rich and entitled.

That's obviously not what I meant if you care to read and Interpret my comment as a whole and not pull that one sentence out of of context. For further context see my other replies.

I'm sorry if that's what you understood but ultimately that's just YOUR own subjective interpretation of it through your own bias, which I can't be responsible of.

So to save time and brain cells I will end the discussion here and stop trying to convince you through trying to argument that the forth n-th time, since it's obviously not going anywhere due to your bias against me.

G'day to you mate.