[alephnerd]

1. I don't appreciate that tone.

2. I have literally provided a peer reviewed paper proving my point, and I can provide a second one as well [0].

It's a well documented trend, and I myself can confirm this within my family, and multiple others in a similar boat.

I'm not saying Western Europe is bad, but the kind of pipeline that exists in much of North America isn't as robust in Western Europe.

Plus the absolute number in the trade paper you provided is ~10k arrivals and ~6k departures from Europe, which is a drop in the bucket in absolute terms compared to North America. Just with EB-2s alone (one of the multiple types of visas for STEM talent) you are seeing 90k approvals a year.

[0] - https://www.hbs.edu/ris/Publication%20Files/22-047_b5373e6a-...

[snowpid]

I really like to read my provided source instead complaining about the tone. Your first provided source is outdated (ca. 2016), your personal view has a bias and selection effect ("US is the best country in the world", you are surrounded by people preferring US and money), I couldnt find the data, you argue for, in the second source (you can give a page number), and my thesis was: It is not only about money. If so, Europe would have an outflow to US. It does not despite lower income. So other factors in migration matter. What is your problem about this statement?

[alephnerd]

The State of Europe report only further validates my core thesis:

> A job like a doctor or engineer pays decently well in your home country, so there's no reason to uproot your life unless there is a DRASTIC difference in QoL

The rate of inflows and outflows of European and American tech workers being constant proves this very point.

Pre-tax TC is only 2-3x more in the US than much of Europe, and QoL doesn't change drastically, so there's no reason for Europeans techies to immigrate to the US or vice versa based on salary alone.

This is a similar story for techies in other markets like China, SK, Taiwan, and India preferring to stay put instead of immigrating to much of Western Europe, because it's a 1-3x TC bump compared to a 3-6x TC bump going to North America.

As tech salaries in those countries rise, then increasingly techies won't leave those countries either unless a drastic TC change is provided.

And it's not just salary, the xenophobia and microaggressions in much of Europe are definitely in your face if you don't look "European" (and even then some idiots will target other Europeans as lesser) compared to much of North America.

And no, pointing out Varadkar, Sunak, and Costa are of South Asian origin; Yeşilgöz and Özdemir being of Turkish origin; etc doesn't fly.

[snowpid]

" The rate of inflows and outflows of European and American tech workers being constant proves this very point. " Well the report stated otherwise but I guess you do selective reading, right? ;)

" And it's not just salary, the xenophobia and microaggressions in much of Europe are definitely in your face if you don't look "European" (and even then some idiots will target other Europeans as lesser) compared to much of North America. " Just a casual reminder that 50 % + Americans voted for Trump while many European countries have a way smaller right populist movements. India and China also have very racist governments. And again Europe has an influx of tech workers so I guess, your pointed out factors are not the only ones that matters.

" eşilgöz and Özdemir being of Turkish origin " I'll ask my Turkish friends I meet casually in Berlin.

From my site I learned again. Americans think they are the best country in the world while seing not the problems of their new home.