[bmitc]

Apple is the most draconian company and operating system maker. It's astounding that they're associated with creativity. They make it really hard to even use their devices as computers. And they've made the same aluminium rectangles for decades now. Literally, where is the creativity?

[Workaccount2]

Apple pretty ingeniously went after the tech-illiterate market, in part knowing that their users wouldn't know any better.

[chrisweekly]

> They make it really hard to even use their devices as computers.

that's a bit extreme. yeah, many of us had hoped ipad would be more of a laptop w no keyboard (vs a huge smartphone), but macbooks have long been the most capable dev laptops on the planet

[bmitc]

> macbooks have long been the most capable dev laptops on the planet

I personally don't find that to be true. The jobs that forced Macbooks on me were fraught with development issues all stemming from macOS.

In Windows, I am currently running Windows 11, several versions of Ubuntu, and even NixOS. WSL vastly outclasses VMs on macOS (which barely work anyway on macOS) and the "Linux but not Linux" nature of macOS.

[boxed]

You are talking about things that are unrelated to creating visual art and music.

[bmitc]

No, I'm not. Apple breaks music applications with every new release. They're all being held hostage due to OpenGL being deprecated on macOS. Apple is the hardest platform to develop creative applications for.

[amatecha]

Logic was the absolute best for a while (IMO). Those were good times. Just don't update. I still have OS X 10.4 machines with expensive upgrades. If you're doing serious/pro-level music creation on Mac you're not installing updates until you know every piece of software is supported. It's brutal to try to produce decent-tier music if you want to actually use the computer as a general personal machine (and keep it up to date), though.

[boxed]

Which music programs broke in Sonoma?

[jusujusu]

All of them, due to usb hub issues.