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by kwhitefoot 767 days ago
The thing that always strikes me in all the reporting and discussion of the problems that Ofcom is trying to solve is that no one seems to ask if the problems are equally bad in other countries, especially in non-English speaking countries. And if it isn't then can, and should, whatever helps there be implemented in the UK?

I live in Norway and it doesn't seem that the problem is so severe here. Or is it simply that English speaking media is more willing to latch on to extreme events and make out that they are the norm?

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It's a difference of scale. English is dominant in the number of countries that speak it and is even more dominant among the online population (people from countries that don't otherwise use English who are "overly-online" tend to use it).

There is a larger population of bad actors, a greater variety of underlying cultural/philosophical differences and thus conflict, and the algorithms that seem fine for a smaller contained country like Norway can produce a different quality of topics at a larger scale. It's not just algorithm thresholds either - people are simply more naturally prone to follow fads when there is multinational scale affecting the quantity and rapidity of the content and replies/likes that they see (dopamine and confirmation bias).

Unsure what the solution is - maybe more location-based weighting of suggestions? Conversely you don't want to empower local predators. So far attempts at moderating the entire English speaking world by the standards of SF-cloistered young professionals and PhDs has also been unwieldy and led to backlash.

There's a general election coming up in the UK, probably later this year. No date announced yet but they're starting to get TOUGH ON CRIME and other things in preparation.
I think you're just missing it, or not enough media attention.

Youtube is full of weirdass kid content. The ones I've seen are mostly weird / scary, on the border.

It's all garbage, but youtube algorithm recommends it more and more the kids I've seen because it notice the longer screen time.

I wouldn't say it's downright illegal content, but definitely not tasteful.

> no one seems to ask if the problems are equally bad in other countries, especially in non-English speaking countries.

Oh hell yes it is. Everywhere that Russia has interest in has been fraught with serious issues. Germany, Poland, France come to my mind - there have been reports concerning especially the spread of far-right and/or pro-Russian content for years now.

> I live in Norway and it doesn't seem that the problem is so severe here. Or is it simply that English speaking media is more willing to latch on to extreme events and make out that they are the norm?

You guys are simply too small to matter and have been in NATO from the start. In Sweden and Finland though, I had read reports of pro-Russian propaganda problems when they were in the process of joining NATO.

The unifying link is always Russia.

Is it possible that perhaps people just have differing views on Russia and great power competition than you do? I find the Russia influence story overstated
Sometimes I feel like there's some kind of gaslighting operation going on to make people forget about how much western Europe was in favor of things like NordStream (2). Russia definitely wasn't always the Boogeyman people now seem to claim. A lot of people had to be ok with Russia for things like NordStream to happen.
We're also supposed to pretend that Russia was behind the NordStream sabotage.
> A lot of people had to be ok with Russia for things like NordStream to happen.

And Russia paid a lot of people to think that way, either directly (Schröder) or with extremely cheap gas.

On most countries, the stuff this article is proposing to fight against "for the children" is already illegal to push to anybody.

So, on most countries this proposal would be completely useless.

>far right this

>far right that

>*crickets* far left *crickets*

Man I am glad years ago I watched Yuri Bezmenov's interview with G. Edward Griffin.

> Man I am glad years ago I watched Yuri Bezmenov's interview with G. Edward Griffin.

Do tell. Content? Main ideas? A link? Anything?

Two youtube video IDs, should be the same thing:

/watch?v=s2b-I0Yqisc

/watch?v=9apDnRRSOCk

The anglosphere media is much more anti-tech than most other countries, so they focus on this stuff - and it’s also a double US/UK election year
Quite likely that most AI is better suited to English and all the big tech companies are heavily into AI with their algos.
> if the problems are equally bad in other countries, especially in non-English speaking countries

Well, Myanmar had a genocide blamed on social-media (at least in-part), so arguably things are worse there, not just equally-bad.

US/UK really like spying on their citizens. Privacy is not their thing.

Their culture regards anything sexual as Taliban regards women not covering their head. As an extreme taboo. As a fellow European, yes, I know, it's crazy.

Eric Blair's Anti-Sex League is coming into full swing, innit?

With a century of public policy fuggery, the domestic stock has been induced into a situation where it refuses to effectively breed its next generations in comparable numbers to other competing stocks. It could be mistaken for accidental if the elite weren't then back-stopping tax and investment losses with importing supply from those other stocks.

If The West is purely cultural/ideal, then mere assimilation should be enough for its persistence. If The West is its people then this situation spells certain doom if not arrested.

The West's place at the top of the world is going to be toppled by a nation with less feminism and anti-natalism this century, unless The West can destroy all other effective competition.

If you are european, this is basically glass houses and stones
It's true, Europeans emit crazy Hitler particles when they see a Roma person.