[nflblitz]

It's always hard arguing the counterfactual, but do you really believe that Apple would be the Apple you love if their employees were unionized?

Put another way, and before you downvote me to oblivion, what are the most innovative tech companies that have unions?

[skeaker]

What if Steve Jobs wore green instead of black when announcing the iPhone? Would Apple still be the same company today?

Who cares? That's a stupid question, we can't possibly know and either way we can't change the past. What we CAN do is change how things are now and implement a union with Apple as it is today. Why postulate about the upbringing of the company and how things could have been different ideologically when that's not what the discussion is about? People just want job security, protection from abuse by their employer, and reasonably consistent raises to at least match inflation.