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by whythre 768 days ago
Accurate crime statistics are… let’s say, ‘discouraged,’ by the NYPD and the Mayor’s Office.
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In the end the murder rate cannot be fudged, and it is quite favorable.

https://worldpopulationreview.com/us-city-rankings/cities-wi...

There's more to "violent crime" than just murder.
Of course there is, however murder is the best simple proxy because it's the most severe and least likely to be disputed that it's fudged. So it stands in well for quick internet comments. When you get into a multi-pronged analysis of 5+ crime metrics, and how you factor each into "safety" and what metric and places go more underreported, etc. well, you have yourself a research paper...
What do you conclude from that? Maybe the other crime is even lower.
You're going to need to elaborate beyond "let's say". What you wrote is basically just a conspiracy theory. In fact crime statistics reporting is an extremely mature field with well-understood methods and comparable data, and nothing one particular administration can do it really going to impact things very much. Basically, if this was such a great trick for Adams to have invented, why didn't it occur to Bloomberg or Giuliani or Koch?

In fact NYC is a very safe city. That it's inconvenient for you to believe that doesn't change the facts.

In places like San Francisco it is an understood phenomenon that crime is underreported because nobody will investigate it anyways so why bother[1].

[1] https://nationalpolice.org/main/not-letting-cops-enforce-law...

Your citation for an "understood phenomenon" is a position paper from a lobby group. That's the point: the facts don't match the policy you want, so in our post-reality world the job of lobbyists is to invent arguments to allow people to ignore facts. As folks elsewhere in the thread point out: murder rates don't work with this analysis (you can't "underreport" a body) and murder rates show the same effects.

Is it so hard to believe that your political aliance is just wrong on this? Would it really be such a terrible thing if, y'know, US cities were safe?

Here is another source [1] that draws the conclusion that "approximately half of crimes are not reported to the police".

Here is yet another source from the U.S. Department of Justice [2]: "During the period from 2006 to 2010, 52% of all violent victimizations, or an annual average of 3,382,200 violent victimizations, were not reported to the police.".

Realistically speaking it is hard to measure unreported crimes given that by definition they are - after all - unreported. And yet the fact that some data is not collected or it is hard to collect, doesn't mean that the data doesn't exist.

> Is it so hard to believe that your political aliance is just wrong on this?

I could be asking you the same question, based on your stance.

[1] - https://www.csustan.edu/sites/default/files/groups/Universit...

[2] - https://bjs.ojp.gov/content/pub/pdf/vnrp0610.pdf

You need a source that says fewer crimes are reported than before. Maybe more are reported now.
Accurate crime statistics are discouraged by every police department and Mayor's Office in this country.
What if there was some place with no crime? No wait, then they would discourage it because there would be no need to fund the police and what the hell does the Mayor do all day.
If it was a large enough city, you could convincingly argue that there being no crime means crime prevention is massively overfunded and/or excessive in nature.
Combine that the culture of not snitching, and you get wildly bad crime data, fueling all sorts of silly internet arguments, bad politics and bad social science.
So how do you know the truth? Maybe crime is even lower.

I'm not sure how the no-snitch culture lowers the crime rate; it would seem to lower the conviction rate.

It's hard to convict if the crying never gets reported in the first place.