[JumpCrisscross]

> Starliner would not have even been thought of without SpaceX bringing competition

I may be wrong, but I believe both Starliner and Dragon were commissioned when Russia invaded Ukraine, thereby threatening NASA’s access to Soyuz.

[groby_b]

You are I think wrong. IIRC commissioned ~2010-ish, and first (failed) flight test in 2019.

I do not think there is a world where NASA commissions something from Boeing, and it's kind of ready-ish 2 years later. There are meetings to be head! Congress folk to talk to! Overruns to be budgeted!

[dboreham]

The first time presumably, in 2014.