[dmitrygr]

> Microsoft/HP/Dell/Lenovo Arm laptops with M3-competitive performance are launching soon, with mainline Linux support.

I have been seeking someone who’ll be willing to put money on such a claim. I’ll bet the other way. Perchance you’re the person I seek, if you truly believe this?

[transpute]

Which part - launch timing, multicore performance or mainline Linux support?

[dmitrygr]

perf >= M3 while power consumption <= M3, while booted Linux and, say 50%: streaming a video on youtube.com over wifi at min brightness, 50% compiling some C project in a loop, minimum brightness from and to internal SSD.

Compared to macOS on M3 doing the same

[transpute]

its_a_trap.jpg :)

At Qualcomm SoC launch, OSS Linux can't possibly compete with the deep pockets of optimized-shenanigan Windows "drivers" or vertically integrated macOS on Apple Silicon.

But the incumbent landscape of Arm laptops for Linux is so desolate, that it can only be improved by the arrival of multiple Arm devices from Tier 1 PC OEMs based on a single SoC family, with skeletal support in mainline Linux. In time, as with Asahi reverse engineering of Apple firmware interfaces, we can have mainline Linux support and multiple Linux distros on enterprise Arm laptops.

One risk for MS/Asus/HP/Dell/Lenovo devices based on Qualcomm Nuvia/Oryon/EliteX is that Qualcomm + Arm licensing fees could push device pricing into "premium" territory. The affordable Apple Macbook Air, including used M1 devices, will provide price and performance competition. If enterprises buy Nuvia laptops in volume, then Linux will have a used Arm laptop market in 2-3 years.

So.. your test case might be feasible after a year or two of Linux development and optimization. Until then, WSL2 on Windows 11 could be a fallback. For iPad Pro users desperate for portable Linux/BSD VM development with long battery life, Qualcomm-based Arm laptops bring much needed competition to Apple Silicon. If Nuvia devices can run multiple OSS operating systems, it's already a win for users, making possible the Apple-impossible. Ongoing performance improvements will be a bonus.

[dmitrygr]

That’s the point! In two years m5 will exit.

But I’m happy to take that bet with “Linux” replaced with “windows”

[transpute]

Since the hardware already exists and has been benchmarked privately, this is less of a bet and more of an information asymmetry. So let's assume you would win :) Next question is why - is it a limitation of the SoC, power regulators, motherboard design, OS integration, Arm licensing, Apple patents, ..?