[jacklbk]

As an Asian, the DEI idea and how it was executed puzzled me as well.

Apple's first VP of diversity said [1]:

> “Diversity is the human experience. I get a little bit frustrated when diversity or the term diversity is tagged to the people of color, or the women, or the LGBT.”

> “there can be 12 white, blue-eyed, blonde men in a room and they’re going to be diverse too because they’re going to bring a different life experience and life perspective to the conversation.”

She had to resigned [2] for saying so. That really confused me, isn't what she said... true?

[1]: https://qz.com/1097425/apples-first-ever-vp-of-diversity-and... [2]: https://nypost.com/2017/11/17/apples-diversity-chief-lasts-j...

[mordae]

From my personal experience as a central European male, they would be missing women and their outputs would have predictable and easily rectified mistakes. Unless their customer base is 90% male and they are OK with that.

And it's exactly that the experience shapes us. In the West, gender roles are still very pronounced, shaping our experiences in certain ways. Males are taught to go for wins, females for maintainability for one.

[nikkwong]

I don't think it's implied that she's making the claim that this group is going to be perfectly representative of their target demographic. She's simply saying that there is heterogeneity in a group that is ostensibly homogenous through a DEI lens.

Gender roles are just as pronounced in the East; me being in China as I write this. Maybe this says a little bit more about our biology and a little bit less about structural bias.

[SergeAx]

The point of DEI is to have the widest possible distribution of life experience among the group. Of course 12 white, blue-eyed, blonde men would have different life paths, but if you project them on 2D graph and draw a circle around them, then the distance to the point of white blue-eyed woman would be about 5 diameters of that circle, and to the point of black transgender person - about 15 diameters.

[sanity]

The most meaningful and useful diversity would be that of social class, and yet that's the one kind of diversity the DEI bureaucracy isn't interested in diversifying.

[ImHereToVote]

I think the goals of a sufficiently complex and large system is what the results are.