[baidifnaoxi]

Doesn’t matter unless they follow through with this and are willing to give up revenue to do security. MSFT always puts this garbage out to safe face, but the organization always reverts to speed and money over anything else.

Untrustworthy. It’s wild how enterprises have overlooked the rampant problems at MSFT for decades.

[dopylitty]

That's not unique to Microsoft. It's a problem of the economic system. The only thing that's valued is how much money can be extracted by executives and shareholders.

Good security, quality products, and employee well being don't matter as long as the stock goes up. Experience has shown that having poor security practices doesn't affect companies' stock price negatively so why would they spend money to have better security? Is the US government going to stop using Microsoft 365? Nope. Is there an alternative where security is actually valued? Nope.

The solution is not a single executive at a single company sending out a memo full of platitudes but a change to the economic system such that product quality is valued over how much value can be extracted and sent to parasitic shareholders.

[MichaelZuo]

This doesn't seem true, reputation, status, credibility, etc., clearly have some nonzero value?

If anything, competitive people looking to climb the social ladder tend to be even more viscious when it comes to status games than the Gordon Geckos of the world.

[utensil4778]

> reputation, status, credibility, etc., clearly have some nonzero value?

Yes, the stock price. As long as number goes up, everything is fine.

[MichaelZuo]

Is this supposed to be ironic?

My point is that people clearly value things beyond the 'number that goes up', often to an even more intense degree.

[utensil4778]

People do, yes. But corporate executives and shareholders are not people and fundamentally do not have the capacity to care what "people" think or value.

The decision makers want the number to go up, and they want it to go up now, not ten years from now.

There's a very good reason that all of the biggest companies are eating themselves from the inside out right now. Making the number go up right now is far, far more valuable than making sure it stays up after they get their bonus.

[faeriechangling]

Money for sure, but I don't think of Microsoft a moving relatively fast - at least by tech standards.