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by beeboobaa3 773 days ago
What do you mean playing tough? These are existing laws that should be enforced. The amount of people's lives ruined by the American government because they were deemed copyright infringers is insane. The us has made it clear that copyright infringement is unacceptable.

We now have a new class of criminals infringing on copyright on a grand scale via their models and they seem desperate to avoid persecution hence all this bullshit.
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cscurmudgeon 773 days ago
1. You are assuming just training a model on copyrighted material is a violation. It is not. It may be under certain conditions but not by default.

2. Why should we aim for harsh punitive punishments just because it was done so in the past?

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beeboobaa3 773 days ago
> 1. You are assuming just training a model on copyrighted material is a violation. It is not. It may be under certain conditions but not by default.

Using copyrighted content for commercial purposes should be a violation if it's not already considered to be one. No different from playing copyrighted songs in your restaurant without paying a licensing fee.

> 2. Why should we aim for harsh punitive punishments just because it was done so in the past?

I'd be fine with abolishing, or overhauling, the copyright system. This rules with harsh penalties for consumers/small companies but not for bigtech double standard is bullshit, though.

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ekianjo 773 days ago
> Using copyrighted content for commercial purposes should be a violation

so reading a book and using the book contents to help you in your job would be a violation too based on your logic

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beeboobaa3 772 days ago
A business cannot read a book, and your machine learning model is not given human rights.
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Dylan16807 772 days ago
> A business cannot read a book

Assume the human read the book as part of their job. Is that using copyrighted material for commercial purposes?

If that doesn't count then I'm not sure why you brought up "commercial purposes" at all.

> This rules with harsh penalties for consumers/small companies but not for bigtech double standard is bullshit, though.

Consumers and small companies get away with small copyright violations all the time. And still bigger than having your image be one of millions in a training set.

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beeboobaa3 772 days ago
> Assume the human

Humans have rights. They get to do things that businesses, and machine learning models, or general automation, don't.

Just like you can sit in a library and tell people the contents of books when they ask, but if you go ahead and upload everything you get bullied into suicide by the US government[1]

> Consumers and small companies get away with small copyright violations all the time

Yeah, because people don't notice so they don't care. Everyone knows what these bigtech criminals are doing.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aaron_Swartz

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ekianjo 766 days ago
A business is... made of people.
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