[figassis]

I used to be a fan of the guy, now I’m not a fan, yet before Musk, I think Tesla to many people was just this exotic car that no one drove. Todays Tesla make the world believe in electric cars again and moved an industry. You have to give credit where it’s due. Things don’t always have to be binary.

[Zigurd]

This also applies to SpaceX. They took a rocket that wasn't designed to land and made it land on legs, on land or on barges, reliably. But then, through some combination of second system syndrome and Elon's ego, they overreach and get Cybertruck and Starship.