[hammon]

Unfortunately all the supposed great value of the West were bytrailed be govs (i.e. in EU). Assange is still in jail for exposing Crimes, America gov is still fighting random wars around the globe, EU is dictating stupid rules to members countries bypassing parlaments (let's talks about cookies warnings on EU websites, or digital acts to censor socialnets, or evev not able to go to work without the nazipass a few years ago), Israel is free to bomb civilians protected by US, LGBTQ propaganda riched an imbarassig level on Walt Disney and netflix and now is getting the opposite reactions by people. But feel free to tell yourself is a matter of money Diverging to this madness seems the least.

[dgfitz]

*embarrassing, not “imbarassig” for future efforts.

My head has been buried in the sand for most of the whole Gaza thing, but it sure looks like a classic case of ‘person A punched person B in the face and did not expect that B would punch A, back.’

Sure there is a lot more to it than that, but what the fuck did people expect Israel to do?

[avmich]

> America gov is still fighting random wars around the globe

Give credit where it's due, last 3 presidents were consistently trying to reduce the number of foreign - non-USA - countries where American soldiers were operating. Amount of war operations is reduced significantly.