[TotalCrackpot]

Technically if you are against terrorism then you should be for police abolition, because police uses violence for political reasons.

[Veraticus]

Whatever you think of the police, most police forces are not violent extremists. The idea of policing is mainstream in almost all societies.

[TotalCrackpot]

By definition police uses violence for political reasons. That makes it a terrorist organization. Same with army.

[soundnote]

I am for society not degenerating to the point you need to do a Bukele to fix it. That means having police, whether they're perfect or not.

[infotainment]

Crazy thought: the police are needed to enforce order, because some people are assholes.

[TotalCrackpot]

The police are often assholes, they murder and beat people.

[infotainment]

Sure, so how do you deal with that problem? Who will police the police, if you will?

No police doesn't solve it, because there will be assholes in any group.

[kelseyfrog]

Privatize security. Let the market decide.

[Veraticus]

Actually poor people deserve justice and security too?

Unless you're the richest person in the world. Because if you aren't, someone is going to outbid you on the security forces, and then it's their decision, not "the market's" decision.

[TotalCrackpot]

Then if you are not rich you cannot even call the police because you cannot afford it. It's better to abolish police and not jail people for self-defense.

[infotainment]

Sure, that works for some cases, but what if the crime already happened? For example, what if your house was broken into and your stuff was taken?

In that case, would your only recourse be to hire a private investigator to identify the culprit, and then personally show up at their house to exact your revenge? That doesn’t seem sustainable.