[eespark]

Somewhat related is _Flying Logic_, which was ostensibly made to to enable ToC-type thinking processes at Northop Grumman.

https://flyinglogic.com/

For a period in my life I was very taken by the promise of a node-based graph visualisation of projects, enabling you to quickly track dependencies, constraints, next steps, redundancies and so on.

[tunesmith]

I use this daily as a software architect.

Also for recipes!

And for argument graphs. Premises, therefores/lemmas, conclusions.

I don't get heavily into CRT/FRT, at least not the most disciplined versions. I find that in practice the kinds of problems that justify that in-depth level of analysis are few and far between.

[eespark]

I'm slightly surprised that there's not more mention of Flying Logic on here. How do you decide when to use it, and what other tools/frameworks do you use in conjunction?

Do you share or collaborate on these models with anyone? I find that it's very easy to assume that people will look at the model and see what you're seeing but mostly their eyes glaze over.

Also: recipes? Just what are you cooking up?

[tunesmith]

I use it when I want to draw a graphical data structure that will visually auto-update as I change it. That answer sounds kind of pat, since you basically need to gather enough experience to know when that is useful. I tend to think it's useful in far many more cases than people usually appreciate.

I often screenshare. You can also share the *.xlogic files, even via git, although the company has made it harder to download a free version of the app that can read them read-only. Last I checked it seemed they require a credit card even if you don't buy.

The natural representation of a recipe is a DAG! ;-)

[joenot443]

I’ve personally found Workflowy to be my end-state tool for personal project management. I guess you’d call it a hierarchal tree.

Node based is fascinating though, I’d love to see what that would look like.

https://workflowy.com

[swah]

I feel like this tool is a bit "what you make of it", do you agree? Do you use dates there?

[troelsSteegin]

If I may ask, what prompted you to move on from that?

[ryanjamurphy]

I am also curious about this!

[eespark]

It's not really moving on - I'd still love to have something like this, but it's an entire paradigm shift that I haven't had the capacity for, not to mention buy-in from other parties.

ericalexander0's comment above touches on some of it ("poor assumptions, prioritizing ideology over customer value, and misaligned shared mental models")

In my particular case, I was expanding a business and starting a new one and had just discovered the whole "productivity" scene and had naive notions of using task management tools and Notion wikis to achieve some latent superpowers. But I got into a rabbit hole where nothing was good enough, there was always some element of lossiness as you moved between tools, and all the tools in the world are not a subsititute for having clear mental models and actually just getting on with the job rather than thinking endlessly about the most beautiful and intuitive ways of getting it done.

Separately from these meta-concerns, building and navigating a model was not as fluent as a Workflowy/Dynalist situation (the latency was small but annoying - like early days of Notion), and as your model built up and reorganised it was easy to lose track of things. There's still some value in graph-based knowledge management (e.g. Obisidian), but it's also important to remember that storing and having access to information (however aesthetically pleasing it might be) is not the same as knowing something.

Possibly a larger conversation lurking somewhere about productivity, management, the meaning of work, ADHD, and friction.