[vidarh]

I'm asking you to stop denying the public freedoms in return for getting the same freedom yourself.

Nobody is asking you to allow others to do violence against you. But that you want to be free to deprive others of life and liberty on the basis of guesses strikes as a brutally authoritarian attitude.

[beaeglebeachh]

I'm fine with keeping private property rights so there's no guessing and trespassing is hardline crossing that fence. It was merely an offer as a potential trade since you wanted something for free that involved guessing who is a roamer. Obviously property owners aren't trading away interests unless you're ponying up something sweeten the deal.

[vidarh]

I see your attitude as essentially robbing the public of liberty, and I don't get why the US public puts up with being stripped of freedom that way. One of the reasons I am happy I don't live somewhere so oppressive. Though the UK is only marginally better (Scotland much more so than England and Wales) and has been quite the adjustment from Norway compared to the attitude of wanting it to be ok to kill people it's amazing.

[beaeglebeachh]

I see all liberty as stemming from private property rights. Thus the freedom to roam can only take away your liberty, not add to it.