[couchand]

Turnstiles are a barbaric solution to a non problem.

People need to get around. Taking mass transit is the best way for humanity for them to get there. Therefore, the fare should be zero.

Even if we feel a fare is needed, plenty of places operate with civilized proof-of-payment systems.

[vel0city]

Civilized solutions work in a civilized world.

[aaomidi]

The civilized solution is making it free and paying for it from taxing the companies and stores that benefit from it(practically all of them).

[wilg]

13% of subway riders and 45% of bus riders don't pay the fare.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-01-31/nyc-s-tra...

Also, turnstiles are not barbaric, what are you talking about?

Also since when is the rule that "the 'best' way has to be free"?

[elthran]

Londoner here - with our fare evasion stats at this link

https://tfl.gov.uk/corporate/transparency/freedom-of-informa...

None of the articles I've seen ever seen to address why NYC has such a high rate of fare evasion. Is it just an ingrained "cultural" thing now? You could definitely jump over the TfL barriers if you wanted to, but no one does

[wilg]

A very good question! No clue. I do see weirdos on Twitter defending it for dumb reasons, but that can't account for it all.