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by laughinghan 5131 days ago
1. False. Define "great" and "rules" and I or others will happily provide no shortage of examples.

2. I want to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you're a reasonable person, and you were merely exaggerating, but I don't even know what you're trying to say. Are you trying to say that in order to do great things, rules generally have to get broken...and therefore it's ok for entrepreneurs to do unethical things?

3. Consider reducing your consumption of entrepreneurship porn.
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CamperBob2 5131 days ago
1) Meh, that sounds like a lot of work.

2) The world is rendered in shades of grey, and not all ethical issues carry equal weight. Some are worth sweating, some aren't. This one isn't, according to a representative of the victimized party itself.

3) Consider having a beer or two and giving the high horse a good night's sleep.

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joshuamerrill 5131 days ago
As I said in the topmost parent thread, "you can be sure that this incident will create additional requirements and restrictions for the [honest] entrepreneurs who still remain in the building."

Many successful entrepreneurs engage in social hacking in some way. What the entrepreneur in this case did was both unethical and illegal.

Just because you have a key to someone's house doesn't mean you get to open their front door and sleep on their couch.

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CamperBob2 5131 days ago
The world is rendered in shades of grey, and not all ethical issues carry equal weight. Some are worth sweating, some aren't. This one isn't, according to a representative of the victimized party itself.

(since you apparently missed it the first time)

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nupark2 5131 days ago
The victimized party can choose to spin this any way they want, but it had no bearing on whether it actually did them harm or how they actually feel about it. That's not your decision to make, and 'shades of gray' is a lousy justification for theft of service.
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CamperBob2 5130 days ago
Sigh. I'm sorry, I thought I was on a forum for hackers, not commercial property managers.

I see this fellow as no worse than, say, a telemarketer. In fact, that's probably a good analogy to draw... except that I typically get more annoyed at telemarketers who hijack my time and attention, than AOL management seems to be at the person who overstayed his welcome in their building.

It's possible that I'm only as sympathetic to him as I am because he committed his offense in the course of trying to create something. Telemarketers don't offend me because they're annoying and presumptuous, but because they're lazy and unnecessary. If every telemarketer dropped off the face of the earth tomorrow, life would go on for the rest of us. If every kid with a bit of hustle and debatable judgment dropped off the face of the earth, things would go downhill in a hurry.

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nupark2 5130 days ago
Being a hacker has nothing to do with poor ethics. In fact, I'd say many of the best hackers I've had the privilege to work with have a strong sense of morals and ethics.
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