[esoterae]

No, it hasn't.

You forget, the reason systemd was originally rationalized for its insertion into our trees was "boot times are too slow". Its chameleon-like nature and ability to solve the hastily described problem du jour seems to be its only consistently touted feature.

Bash scripts that start processes are ephemeral. If it's signal handling you want, that was your program's problem. Either that or your program didn't fork itself, which is a fish of an entirely different feather.

And now we have this sprawling mess of complexity and headache.

[riddley]

Same thing is happening with Wayland. It reduces features adds complexity and solves no new problems but here it comes.

[roenxi]

Wayland was a mis-fire in terms of user friendliness for the first decade or so. But it is still a big step up from the mess that was a typical xserver back in 2010.

> It reduces features adds complexity...

The irony here is Wayland is part of a huge effort to decomplex an xserver into component parts. A really commendable initiative; the path forward while maintaining the X protocol probably was impractically hairy.

The Wayland protocol design had some glaring flaws, but saying that it adds complexity is unfair. It oversimplified; it would have benefited from some flexibility in providing a standard mechanism to let people inspect the buffers graphics buffers to be composited.

[themerone]

How is Wayland more complex than X?

[j16sdiz]

Wayland by itself is simplier -- it is done by "outsourcing" everything a window system should do to the window manager. There is where the complexity kicks in.

[gmueckl]

The resulting wayland environments are more complex because wayland itself refuses to define/include features that desktop systems are expected to have. This results in a sprawling mess of competing and incompatible interfaces for those gaps that other parts of the implementations (desktop environments) now have to compensate for by including multiple implementations of the same thing based on all these different interfaces.

[imtringued]

Stop using the wrong words. You're saying Wayland is too simple and feature incomplete.