[Pet_Ant]

> My own thought is that there should be a "next" version or RISC-VI that is mostly assembler-level compatible but changes all the instruction encodings to be more sane.

I feel like that is really a case of Chesterton's fence. It was done by people who litterally wrote the book on processor design (David Patterson, author of "Computer Architecture: A Quantitative Approach", "The Case for RISC", "A Case for RAID", ). I have heard a talk with the rationale behind where bits are placed to simplify low-end implementations.

> What that means exactly is still a bit fuzzy, but I am a fan of immediate data being stored after the opcode.

As a hobbyist, I get it... but except for when you are reading binary dumps directly, which happens so rarely these days, when is that ever relevant? That is just OCD. I think of this video when I get the same itch and temptation. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GPcIrNnsruc

Also, let's not forget that RISC-V is already a thing with millions of embedded units already shipped.

[phkahler]

>> I feel like that is really a case of Chesterton's fence. It was done by people who litterally wrote the book on processor design

It was originally intended for use in education where students could design their own processors and fixed instruction sizes made that easier. I'm not saying "therefore it's suboptimal", just that there were objectives that might conflict with an optimal design.

>> > What that means exactly is still a bit fuzzy, but I am a fan of immediate data being stored after the opcode.

>> As a hobbyist, I get it... but except for when you are reading binary dumps directly, which happens so rarely these days, when is that ever relevant?

How about in a linker, where addresses have to be filled in by automated tools? Sure, once the weirdness is dealt with in code its "done" but it's still an unnecessarily complex operation. Also IIRC there is no way to encode a 64bit constant, it has to be read from memory.

Maybe I'm wrong, maybe it's a near optimal instruction encoding. I'd like to see some people try. Oh, and Qualcomm seems to disagree with it but for reasons that may not be as important as they think (I'm not qualified to say).

[Pet_Ant]

> Also IIRC there is no way to encode a 64bit constant, it has to be read from memory.

There never is, you can never set a constant as wide as the word length. Instead you must "build" it. You can either load the high bits as low, shift the value, and then add the low bits, or sometimes as Sparc has it ('sethi'), there is an instruction that combines the two for you.

https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/SPARC_Assembly/Control_Flow#Ju...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SPARC#Large_constants

[brucehoult]

> millions of embedded units already shipped

10+ billion. With billions added every year.

THead says they've shipped several billion C906 and C910 cores, and those are 64 bit Linux applications cores, almost all of them with draft 0.7.1 of the Vector extension. The number of 32 bit microcontroller cores will be far higher (as it is with Arm).