[evantbyrne]

There are multiple "1st world" societies where obesity rates are below 10% and many more near those levels. The United States is above 40%. It is an absurd perspective to believe any amount of weight loss is unattainable for the general population through natural means. We need to have a bit more faith in our abilities.

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Feel free to suggest something more effective than ozempic.

Saying “Japan (4.5%) can do it so Germany (19%) should stop being so fat” isn’t very helpful. [0]

The goal is to reduce obesity. It’s not like we can’t also attempt systemic changes while also using ozempic.

If you’re saying we shouldn’t use ozempic because other methods should work (but haven’t in many countries), then that’s a pretty simplistic argument. And one that will likely result in greater obesity and societal harm.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_obesity_r...

[evantbyrne]

To be clear, I'm not against people medicating for severe cases. Calorie counting does work for billions of people alive today though. It works so well most people never even have to do any real measurements. You're either starting from a false premise by declaring that it "doesn't work" or using a very lax definition of what it means to try. I'm assuming the latter is what you mean, because that makes the most sense. The point I'm trying to make is you would be hard pressed to find someone who actually followed through with measuring their food intake honestly, cut 500+ calories out of it, and still managed to not lose weight over an extended period of time.

One of the reasons I referenced other countries was because it provides very strong evidence that culture is a factor. In America, we presently have a culture of telling ourselves that it's really hard to keep excessive amounts of weight off. We betray ourselves every time we tell that lie.