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by Pesthuf 784 days ago
I've always wanted to use one of those, but you have to convince the other developers on your team to use it as well. Make is a relatively easy sell because it's on pretty much every system or at least trivial to install and has decades of reputation.
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alwaysbeconsing 784 days ago
> it's on pretty much every system

Some system have GNU, some BSD.

> at least trivial to install

Then same for `just`, package manager have it.

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ErikBjare 784 days ago
This is why I'm uninterested in just. I'd rather just use make than add another dependency.
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metaltyphoon 784 days ago
Heresy, I know, but Make is a dependency in windows land.
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ErikBjare 781 days ago
Luckily few of my users build from source on Windows.
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pdimitar 782 days ago
It would have taken you less time to install it than it took you to write your comment.
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ErikBjare 781 days ago
You're not accounting for updating my hundreds of existing Makefiles and CI config, and asking users to install yet another build dependency.
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pdimitar 781 days ago
If it's hundreds, I'll agree with you, obviously that would be a huge effort to migrate.

But you made the argument that adding another build dependency is somehow difficult or undesirable which I can't see; the tool is installed in seconds on all major OS-es and package managers.

So let's not conflate those two separate things, yeah?

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ErikBjare 781 days ago
Why ask all my users to install just, when make works fine? Adding a build dependency is always undesirable.

just doesn't even do many of the things make does, as the README states: "just is a command runner, not a build system"

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pdimitar 781 days ago
`make` running fine is the hill I'll proudly die on. Or simply put, I'll disagree forever. It's full of subtle issues that I got tired of tip-toeing around. It's a never ending black hole of programmer time.

And yes, `just` isn't a build system per se, it still requires something to track modified source files and whether they map to the requisite build artifacts. Good for C/C++ and maybe stuff like Latex -> HTML but outside of that it's obsolete and thank the gods for that.

If it works well for you, cool. As mentioned up-thread I wouldn't attempt a switch with hundreds of Makefiles already working fine either.

But I'm very happy to tell you that your case is the vanishing minority. Happily the world has moved on.

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