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by hogepiyo 779 days ago
UK leading the way on this draconian bullshit as usual.

You know its bad when your hope rests on big tech throwing down the gauntlet.

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The UK government seems hell-bent on the control and micromanagement of its own population.

Their recent smoking ban -- which is sure to make cigarette smoking cool again with young people -- was a joke. This hyper-surveillance measure is a lot less funny.

The smoking ban is incredibly popular and supported by most people across all generations, also given we have tax payer funded healthcare this is a clear win for the nation.
Popular but stupid. Surely we've learnt by now that outright prohibition is only good for funnelling money to criminals?
Only if smoking is seen as cool, which it isn’t any more. Vaping is the way to go for kids these days and whilst still not great it seems like it’s better than smoking.
Spare some thought as to why it's no longer "seen as cool."

That's about to be turned on its head. Banning smoking will make it seem edgy, transgressive, and alluring. Still worse, banning it only for people below a certain age will make it seem mature and sophisticated to those below the cutoff. The forbidden fruit.

The UK Govt couldn't possibly devise a better way to popularize cigarettes with young people. And they'll create a nice little black market, to boot.

suppose we design a reasonable experiment here, like taking a random sample of teenagers and mitigating for anonymity concerns. are you seriously claiming that this would show an increase after the ban?

or to put it another way --- the phenomenon you point to is real but completely swamped by the more direct impacts

The taxes paid on nicotene products more than offset the cost of the healthcare.
If it were additive to the base cost of healthcare for the nation but it’s not, taxation isn’t ring fenced like that.
Would that matter outside of optics? Tax money is fungible.
The Postmaster debacle is the biggest example of this I have ever seen. Something has dramatically changed when people are not being held accountable for their crimes.
I smoke 40 a day. I don't want my granddaughters to do the same. I strongly support the ban. All the smokers I know agree with me.
Cannabis is technically also banned in the UK. As is selling vapes to underage people. Where there's a market, capitalism finds a way.
USA is not too far behind. FISA was reauthorized despite outcry from many people.

https://archive.is/3vKoO

In a post-911 world, the people leading this country still leading by fear.

We do indeed lead the way in draconian bullshit. We also lead the way in making it utterly unworkable and useless through incompetence, cost cutting and cases getting shot down by ECHR though. Think of us as an example to the rest of the world on how to do a shitty job of consultation, legislation and implementation!
> cases getting shot down by ECHR though.

Weren't the Tories going to get the UK out of the European Convention on Human Rights? And thus remove the possibility of appealing the the European Court of Human Rights.

Yes they are. They have a valid point leaving it regarding immigration, but the side effects of it are far more advantageous to them personally and this is not being discussed.