[klohto]

this isn’t a fucking HR email thread, fired means layoff in these lands

[hn_go_brrrrr]

There's a meaningful difference between the two. You're fired for doing something wrong. You're laid off if the company wants to cut costs.

[gitfan86]

That is what corporate HR and Executives want you to think.

Layoffs can make it look like the company is having problems so instead of doing that they will create vague KPIs so that employees will not meet them so they can be fired.

[xen0]

That doesn't scale.

AFAICT, Google didn't go to the effort of creating vague objectives for people to fail at. Instead they've blanket cut teams regardless of their success or performance.

[hn_go_brrrrr]

What you're observing is that companies lie, not that there aren't differences between the two.

[klohto]

whatever the drones command. end result is the same.

[danpalmer]

Have some respect. People lost their jobs. They weren't fired because they did something wrong, they were laid off because the company did something wrong.

[klohto]

im also being “laid off” buddy :)