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by pm215 785 days ago
What I mean is that, to use an English example "in comparison to X, Y" and "in contrast to X, Y" are not grammatically different -- the words are all doing the same jobs in the same structure, it's just a different verb. But they're both useful idiomatic patterns to learn. It happens that the standard in Japanese as a second language teaching is to call (the Japanese equivalents to) these different idiomatic patterns different grammar points. Personally I don't care too much about the terminology as long as everybody is on the same page, and because this is the standard in the J2L communities it's generally fine; but it does mean that looking at the size of the volumes of a "Dictionary of Japanese Grammar" is a bit misleading about how grammatically complex the language is.

I would suggest that choosing "see" when you mean "watch" is a vocabulary error, not a grammar error - you picked the wrong verb, but didn't use it in an ungrammatical way (eg wrong tense or mixing transitive and intransitive or getting subject and object the wrong way round).

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> I would suggest that choosing "see" when you mean "watch" is a vocabulary error, not a grammar error - you picked the wrong verb, but didn't use it in an ungrammatical way (eg wrong tense or mixing transitive and intransitive or getting subject and object the wrong way round).

Have you tried doing this? In general you can't swap these verbs without the resulting use being ungrammatical. The problem is that "watch" is durative (it takes time) and "see" is punctual (it takes no time).

"I'd like to see that film." | "I'd like to watch that film." (interchangeable)

"I see birds." / "I watch birds." (very different)

"I'm seeing birds." ~ "I'm watching birds." (semantic'ly identical, but the first one is unusual)

"I'll see you home." / "I'll watch you home." (second on is word choice error)

"I watched the hawk landing in the tree" ; "I saw the hawk landing in the tree" -- both fine grammatically.
Is this the level of analysis you apply to all your work?

Try "I was watching the hawk as it landed in the tree."