[justsomehnguy]

> There is experimental maildir support (one file for each email) which is friendlier for AVs

One (whatever big) file is always way more 'friendlier' for the AV than a bazillion of files. Especially on NTFS and on Win32.

No, don't try maildir on the Windows.

[masklinn]

> One (whatever big) file is always way more 'friendlier' for the AV than a bazillion of files.

Defender will scan the entire file on opening if it's been modified. So for an mbox file, any update to the mbox (e.g. adding a message or marking one as read) will lead Defender to block reading until it's scanned it in full again.

While maildir will increase the baseline costs because opening files in windows is expensive, it will drastically reduce AV overhead, because the AV has a lot less data to scan, and it will only scan files which have been modified.

[justsomehnguy]

> Defender will scan the entire file on opening if it's been modified

In that case it would delete the whole mailbox for EICAR. Sound plausible, but I have a WinSvr2022 machine without WinDefender (or any other AV) and Thunderbird there is slow as molasses.

But sure, if adding the path to the exclusions alleviate the problem then it's Defender causing issues.

> because opening files in windows is expensive

Yes, this is the reason I would generally advise against that. Also it mess up NTFS fragmentation bad and while nowadays it's less of an issue for a laptop with oh so fast NVMe drive in it, it's still a problem (especially if you later need to move that folder with a bazillion files in it).

[magnat]

> No, don't try maildir on the Windows.

Why, exactly? I have switched to maildir as soon as it was available as experimental feature, and performance gains when compared to mbox were enormous, especially during bulk operations. Switching folders takes <0.1s, with ~100k messages per folder, on Windows 7 64-bit.

[SuperNinKenDo]

The logic is probably as discussed above. Opening files is relatively expensive on Windows, so intuitively, maildir should be worse in terms of performance. I believe there's also some filesystem reasons to prefer avoiding lots of small files but that's beyond my pay-grade.

The reason maildir is faster despite this is the antivirus factor.

The fastest solution is adding an exception so that Defender doesn't scan your Thunderbird email, however that has the trade off that your antivirus isn't able to scan your email.

[justsomehnguy]

Check other comments.

And while switching folders, which is the major part of UX anyway, is fast, because TB only scans a handful of messages in the view[0], what about other operations which would need to scan the entire mailbox, like searching for something?

[0] why even it does that? beats me, but clearly it does, otherwise you wouldn't see the speed improvement