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by harwoodjp 795 days ago
> Empiricism can be justified empirically

It's so obvious you haven't engaged with the subject matter.

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How so?
I would assume that GP is referring to the problem of induction. Basically, your reasoning seems to be circular.
You can call someone's reasoning circular all you want but at the end of the day there's what you've accomplished, and the score is philospher 0 engineer 1.
True, it's basically indisputable that engineers are better at engineering than philosophers are. But that seems orthogonal to the issues raised in the problem of induction.
My thrust was more that people are out doing stuff in the world, and for the most part philosophers don't do anything other than say things about what people are already doing. Engineering was an empirical science long before it was a deductive and analytic one.
Philosophers make arguments for/against claims, I don't see why that doesn't count as doing something. I mean, maybe you're complaining that they're not building rockets or feeding the poor, but philosophers are far from the only ones who don't do these things.
I don’t think you understand what philosophy is.
Good grief, the problem of induction was solved by Karl Popper decades ago. Do people here really not know that?
But Popper wasn't saying that empiricism could be justified empirically, was he?

In his own words, in the section on the problem of induction in The Logic of Scientific Discovery:

"My own view is that the various difficulties of inductive logic here sketched are insurmountable. So also, I fear, are those inherent in the doctrine, so widely current today, that inductive inference, although not ‘strictly valid’, can attain some degree of ‘reliability’ or of ‘probability’."

He then goes on to provide the (now contentious) falsification-based view of science after conceding that inductivism can't work.

> But Popper wasn't saying that empiricism could be justified empirically, was he?

No, I am saying that. Popper may have said it too, I don't know. I'm citing Popper to support my claim that science doesn't involve induction.

Why is it not circular reasoning to justify empirical reasoning via empirical reasoning?

(The formal problem of induction argument with its charge of circularity is best and most simply put here https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/induction-problem/#Reco)