[cdchn]

I think the US government/military is stronger than the Internet. Shit the Internet isn't even that strong.

In a real "collapse of the US government STHF situation" you're going to want to invest in beans and bullets, not crypto.

[cableshaft]

I guess my point is our world is so intertwined with the internet that if it permanently goes away we're pretty much in a 'the next war will be fought with sticks and stones' situation anyway, so what does it matter how well the military can defend those bonds and fiat.

Re:SHTF for sure, which is why it's not really worth considering, unless you're so sure it's going to happen and you're already accumulating those beans and bullets (also nothing is stopping you from doing that while also buying other things in case it doesn't happen, or takes a lot longer to happen than you predict).

[aforwardslash]

Your specific country not having internet is basically a configuration issue; you can achieve that with a great degree of accuracy without cutting a single cable and without disrupting service to anyone else. There are multiple examples of this in the past 15 years,ranging from active monitoring like China does to pontual disruptions like many goverments adopted during the arab spring.

[cableshaft]

I'm aware of governments (or other situations) leading to a temporary shut down of their internet, that's why I said permanently.

If it's temporary or limited to a country, then bitcoin doesn't really suffer much from that either. The blockchain will continue elsewhere and can be synched back up for your region later, or if it's everywhere, then it will just stay in a frozen state until the internet is back.

So you can go to a country where there's still internet (assuming you can, you might not be able to), or wait until the internet is back up.

Hopefully you have other assets or goods to get you by in the meantime. Bitcoin is too volatile for it to make sense putting all of your wealth into it anyway.

[aforwardslash]

Lets assume a state-sponsored threat model, with AS blackholing. It may happen the node you connect to sparsingly to sync your ledger is a malicious one, and does not represent the main ledger.

Lets assume you are in a country at war, with poor conectivity and you receive money via blockchain; Poor conectivity means the local places where you can spend your virtual money aren't synced, possibly for weeks. What good is for you money you can't access?

There are far better ways of carring value in warzones. Crypto currency is the most useless one - specially because you can't easily bribe anyone with it.

[cdchn]

Imagine having to awkwardly sit there with the person you're trying to bribe while you wait for your transaction to synchronize. This is where someone says something about L2 or whatever, usually.

[cdchn]

I suppose for the Internet to _permanently_ go away that would mean frying every device with a TCP/IP stack and network hardware. I think every nation-state could shut down their own Internet indefinitely and the maybe top 5 most offensive-cyber capable countries could shutdown the global Internet for as long as they desired.