[Clubber]

>A lot of old timers think it'll eventually get better - but it won't for new grads.

It will, just have to wait for the next hype train. Long live the hype train. Toot toot!

I'm an old timer, so take that for what it's worth.

New grads have to do their part. They can't just coast through college and think some company is going to hire and train them up just because they have a degree and no drive.

We've been hiring for a year now and there's a whole lot of people with no drive, no ambition, don't feel the need for self improvement via side projects, etc. I always had a side project going on to learn new stuff. It's table stakes.

If there's one piece of advice I could give to new graduates is that. Give a shit about your career. Always be improving on your own time. Otherwise you'll be one of millions of people who got into tech for the money and got pushed out during a culling like we're currently going through. If you can't hack the hacking, get into QA, it pays pretty ok too.

[alephnerd]

> New grads have to do their part. They can't just coast through college and think some company is going to hire and train them up just because they have a degree and no drive.

I fully agree with you! No one should be complacent.

> Always be improving on your own time. Otherwise you'll be one of millions of people who got into tech for the money

EXACTLY

> If you can hack the hacking, get into QA, it pays pretty ok too

This is the issue - relatively meritocratic entry level roles like Support Engineering, QA, SRE, ITOps, etc have been offshored (eg. at my last employer, we completely offshored TAM and L1 Support Eng), because of a mix of cost savings and a lot of us old timers don't mentor as much.

[JambalayaJim]

What if you’re a new grad that does have drive? You might still end up in a situation where all the experienced people want to work from home, and half of them are offshore anyway.