[Filligree]

That might be the thing that makes me most optimistic about AI.

Not because they’re super useful. They are, if and only if you use them right, which is a skill few people seem to have.

But because they’re illuminating flaws in how we’re train our students, and act as a forcing function to _make_ the universities and schools fix that. There’s no longer any choice!

[somenameforme]

Software could "learn" multiplication by simply creating a lookup table for every value to some reasonable degree. A test isn't going to have somebody multiplying 100 digit numbers, or even 10 digit numbers. Every single number up to 5 digits could be done with just 10 billion entries. This doesn't mean that a multiplication test is just testing memorization, or that math is just memory. It simply means that machine learning learning/application and human learning/application have relatively little in common, in spite of the constant and generally awkward attempts to try to anthropomorphize machine processes.

[_heimdall]

What you're describing aren't AI at all, there's no intelligence there.

[danielbln]

And the cloud is water droplets, not a datacenter. Apple is a fruit, not a product company. OpenAI isn't incredibly open, and so on. There was a time when it was worthy to die on the hill that AI is really just a product of ML, or whatever, but that ship has long sailed. It's not really intelligent (most likely), but the term is stuck now. Time to move on, the horse is long dead.

[_heimdall]

What term are we supposed to use then with regards to concerns over actual AI? It sure feels like the term artificial intelligence was repurposed, and bastardized, to be nothing more than ML and make any concerns over an AI sound ridiculous.

I'm not concerned over LLMs personally, though I do have serious concerns how we'll handle it if/when we develop an actual artificial intelligence. I can't really share those concerns clearly at all if the term AI has been used to make these discussions effectively meaningless.

Neither clouds nor Apple are topics of debate. Concerns over AI have been raised for decades and largely went unanswered, leaving us with tech getting closer and closer to it and no one willing or able to have any meaningful discussions about it at scale. OpenAI has an explicit goal, for example, of creating an AGI. Maybe AGI is the new term for AI, though I disagree with their definitional metric of economic value, which again leaves us with someone trying to purposely build an artificial intelligence without us first deciding the basics like would an AI have rights or will turning it off be tantamount to murder.