[talldayo]

Because... the developer didn't swallow Apple's fee for you?

Your decision is to pay Apple's fee that they claim is fair, or not use the app. I don't really see how we can shake our fists at the developers and publishers for not sponsoring the distribution of their FOSS app. It's very clearly the Unity-esque installation fee that is the problem here.

[nerdjon]

Um... no where did I mention anything about the fee...

They could have put the app on the app store on the EU and on their store. But did not.

[littlestymaar]

They tried to put their app on the App store since 2016! Apple refused, for EIGHT years! Then they developed their own version of an indie app store so that they can actually distribute the emulator because of that.

Apple only allowed it to be published on the app store TODAY, just the day of the release of the AltStore because they are trying to make a point, the malice is on Apple's side here. But the comments here make it sounds like it works on their all most hardcore fanbase.

[nerdjon]

I think it was last week we were talking about a different emulator that was approved, so let's not try to jump to conclusions about why Apple may or may not have done something.

I have not seen anything that the release on the App Store was held up by apple and that this wasn't just instead an simultaneous release on both platforms by the developer.

Yes Apple did not previously allow this until they changed their policy recently to allow emulation (which I think was about a month ago).

This does not change the fact that the developer is choosing to put the app on the App Store everywhere except for the EU, and in the EU you have to use their store.

[littlestymaar]

> I have not seen anything that the release on the App Store was held up by apple and that this wasn't just instead an simultaneous release on both platforms by the developer.

See this commit from 3 years ago[1]! On Delta's Repo:

> Delta was originally developed under the impression Apple would allow it into the App Store. Unfortunately Apple later changed their minds, leaving me no choice but to find a new way to distribute Delta. Long story short, this led me to create AltStore, which now serves as the official way to install Delta onto your device.

The main reason why you “have not seen anything that the release on the App Store was held up by apple” is that because you did not want to see it, because it goes against your believes (believes that have been manufactured by Apple's propaganda machine).

> Yes Apple did not previously allow this until they changed their policy recently to allow emulation (which I think was about a month ago).

And guess why their changed their policy? Because of DMA put them in an untenable posture.

> This does not change the fact that the developer is choosing to put the app on the App Store everywhere except for the EU, and in the EU you have to use their store.

That's a genuine “fuck you Apple” move, which is understandable given how much “fuck you Delta” Apple gave them before, but it's also a bit of a problem. But here again this is 100% on Apple! They can 100% ban this kind of things by adding a policy to the app store that says “If you want to distribute on the App store outside of the EU, you have to provide your software on the app store in the EU as well” even if that doesn't prevent the release on an alternative store. The main reason why they don't do that, is because it would ruin their FUD about this exact situation.

You are being manipulated by a trillion dollar company, that not only hate your individual freedom, but also wants to make sure you hate it yourself so you never ask for it. And unfortunately that propaganda keeps proving highly effective…

[1] https://github.com/rileytestut/Delta/blob/abd7338a08a4948c55...

[nerdjon]

> The main reason why you “have not seen anything that the release on the App Store was held up by apple” is that because you did not want to see it, because it goes against your believes (believes that have been manufactured by Apple's propaganda machine).

I really feel like it should be obvious that I am talking about since apple made the policy change regarding emulators. It is well understood that before about a month or so ago there was a policy against emulators.

I am talking about since that policy change went into effect and the software was in place for it (as in the iOS version was rolled out).

Apple had allowed am emulator on the App Store within the last couple weeks, which doesn't line up with your conspiracy theory that the only reason this one was allowed was because of their own store.

And no this is not 100% on apple. The developer could have put it on the App Store in all regions. Again, Apple approved an emulator recently.

[talldayo]

> which doesn't line up with your conspiracy theory that the only reason this one was allowed was because of their own store.

Literally, tell me you have never heard of Delta without telling me you've never heard of Delta.

The only reason this app exists is because of alternative App Stores. It is not a conspiracy theory, you can ask me, saurik, or any other iOS user that used the Altstore to attain basic functionality on their phone.

> And no this is not 100% on apple. The developer could have put it on the App Store in all regions. Again, Apple approved an emulator recently.

Yep. This is 100% on you. You are the only person that continues to enable and apologize for this behavior. So naturally, you are the only person that deserves to suffer on behalf of the users. I really hope you never sideload, and you get to watch the App Store become the same barren husk it is on MacOS while you desperately beg developers to pay for distributing their Free Software. Surely, those high-and-mighty developers will descend from their ivory tower and delete their altstores so that 'nerdjon' from Hacker News won't keep pissing and moaning about how his iPhone sucks now. Yes, that will fix it.