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by EVyesnoyesnoyes 793 days ago
I really did not want offend you tbh. but i talked to a lot of people regarding EVs. Most people care somehow but not enough at all to risk anything. They are even afraid of 'new technology'.

Alone last week when i discussed with the other owners of our apartmentbuilding to put solar panels on it, my 'for co2' was basically humoring the others.

Im also on hn for 10 years, i just spend too much time on it, unfortunate creating a new account is too simple :|.

Cars make 75% of transportation co2. Electricity and heating is only double of transportation. So its definitly relevant.

I don't think that EV is enough but its one of the few big changes we as a technology based society need to do.

But i also believe heavily in economy of scale and that an EV can be cheaper and easier to make in a few years than ICEs can. I also believe that EVs are necessary to really start the sustainable supply chain: we take renewable energy to make EVs and Batteries, use the resources of EVs and Batteries later to use them longer after second use and than recycle them to 99%.

Every ICE will always consume fuel.

We also have a huge benefit of investing money today into EV than ICE due to other synergies: Bi-directinal charging will help us to stabilize the grid for renewable. Cheap batteries help us to add more storage at home to use the solar enegy longer.

And in regards to forcing anyone: Again based on the jump in ocean temperature, weather changes in germany etc. i really think we need to do A LOT more A LOT faster. But this article is about EVs not about heat pumps, geothermal, etc.

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> I really did not want offend you tbh. but i talked to a lot of people regarding EVs.

You accused me of trolling when I said that I believe people are good in general and that you shouldn't force them to do anything. I think you shouldn't be surprised if that comes across as an offense.

> Most people care somehow but not enough at all to risk anything. They are even afraid of 'new technology'.

You need to make it attractive for people. Think about the risk/reward here. People are not dumb. They know that investing into new technology comes with a risk per se from experience. They also know that their investment has a slim chance of doing anything to reduce global CO2 emissions because many other factors are at play here. Then, it's not even clear how much of that makes for the current warming. So you need to give them something which is an obvious benefit with regard to their current life situation. If you have access to charging at home, solar panels, and an EV, that's a financial benefit that doesn't need much more explaining. Now you need to find a way to make that accessible to everyone. Better charging infrastructure, increasing range, and bringing down the cost of the technology is key and it takes time.

"People would even be happy paying a bit more if it were beneficial for the environment." this triggered me because i had the discussion (as i wrote in my prev comment) with 5 people in their 50s and they found it funny when i said that even if the solar panels on the roof wouldn't help us directly, at least we would save co2 (my frustration with that group of people is high)

Yes it takes time but i strongly believe that this section of the curve can be shortened a lot by forcing companies by law, pushing consumers to risk a little bit more.

Do you regularly talk to older people or people outside of a big city? Because you constantly refute my points regarding this and all of those are examples of real encounters i had.

"Its easier to just go to a fuel station" "Its cheaper" "I like the sound of an engine" "I want to be able to drive 1000km without a stop" (while driving not more than 50km per day ...) "EVs explode" . . .